Yes, firstly, Cogta is working with Salga on the first set of courses. We manage the courses together. We shape the courses together. Our relationship will increase over the next five-year period and more.
Secondly, yes, we are acutely aware that large sums of money have been invested in councillor training and education. Our own view is that we have not got back the return on our investment and that these programmes actually have to be far more effective than they currently are. I think there is no doubt about that.
Thirdly, we ourselves have undertaken small studies, but nothing of a significant degree yet, although this is on our agenda and we mean to do it. We have, in fact, raised this with Salga, because they came to ask for money. We said we could release more money, but we first had to see what they had done with the money allocated to them by us through the national Budget, and so on.
In short, we agree that much more needs to be done to ensure that the education programmes result in effective outcomes.