I know that the ANC will rule forever. That is not a dream. [Interjections.] I know that both Ministers and officials who are committed within the department will improve the performance of the department. That is not a dream. Let us give them a chance. Let us wait and see. We will see wonders. [Interjections.]
Hon Minister, we all speak with one voice. There is progress. We acknowledge the challenges that need to be attended to for the department to improve its performance. Therefore, on behalf of the ANC - the giant organisation, the organisation that leads, that lives - I want to say we support the Budget Vote of the Department of Public Works. I thank you. [Applause.]
UMPHATHISWA WEZEMISEBENZI YOLUNTU: Sihlalo, ndiyabulela kohloniphekileyo uMnu uMcIntosh we-Cope nohloniphekileyo uMnu Gaehler we-UDM, ngokuncoma nokugxeka apho kufanelekileyo, begxeka xa bebona ukuba kukho iimpawu ezinokugxekwa, bencoma xa bebona ukuba kukho inkqubela-phambili. Loo nto iyalakha isebe kwaye iyasikhuthaza nathi singaBaphathiswa.
Kuyacaca ke nto kaGaehler ukuba uthetha ngento oyaziyo xa uthetha ngokwakhiwa. Uyayazi ingxaki yoonokontraka abancinane. Kudala ke usinika iingcebiso ezisakhayo. Ndiyanibulela kakhulu. Kuyavakala futhi ukuba nobabini umongo lo eninawo nomthombo wenu usuka phi, usuka embuthweni omkhulu. [Kwahlekwa.] Iyavakala loo nto. Yiyo loo nto nikwazi ukuthetha kakuhle namhlanje.
Ukuba ulilungu elifana nohloniphekileyo uBawo uSithole we-IFP, nokuba ulilungu elinyanisekileyo nelikukhumbulayo konke ebelikuthethe ngaphambili phaya ekomitini, lize liphinde apha namhlanje xa libona iinkokeli ze-IFP liphike konke ebelikuvumile ngaphambili ... (Translation of isiXhosa paragraphs follows.)
[The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS: Chairperson, I thank the hon McIntosh of Cope and the hon Gaehler of the UDM for commending and criticising where it is necessary; criticising where criticism is due and commending where there is progress. That empowers the department and encourages us as Ministers.
It is clear, Mr Gaehler, that when you talk about construction, you are talking about something you know. You know the problem of emerging contractors. You have been giving us constructive advice for a long time. I thank you very much. It is obvious from what you have said that your origin and experience are from the people's party. [Laughter.] One can easily pick that up. That is the reason why you are able to speak so eloquently today.
A member like the hon Sithole of the IFP is an honest member who remembers everything he said in the committee before, but then comes here today, when he sees leaders of the IFP, and denies everything that he has agreed upon earlier.]
It is dishonest and disingenuous, Mr Sithole, to sit in a committee, appreciate progress, but come here to a Budget Vote debate and disown everything that you have been saying.
Awunyanisekanga ... [You are not honest ...]
... because you are denying everything that you endorsed in the committee.
Ufike apha udilike, untlantlathe uthethe into ongayiva nokuyiva wena kuqala. Lihlazo ke elo.
Nawe Mam' uDreyer ohloniphekileyo, siyakubulela ngamaphupha akho onyaka wama-2019 nowama-2030. [Kwahlekwa.] Uyabona ke, kwiindwendwe zam ndimeme nomfundisi. Andazi nokuba uyaprofeta, kodwa ndabagqibela eBhayibhileni abaprofeti, okanye uyabhula njengegqirha. Zange ndive ke ukuba kukho igqirha lomlungu. [Kwahlekwa.] Andazi ukuba yintoni oyibhulayo. (Translation of isiXhosa paragraphs follows.)
[You come here and say all sorts of things that do not make sense, even to yourself. That is a disgrace.
We thank even you, hon Dreyer, for your dreams of 2019 and 2030. [Laughter.] You see, I have also invited a pastor as one of my guests. I don't know whether you are prophesying, but I last heard of prophets in the Bible, or whether you are consulting with the spirits, just like a traditional healer. I have never heard of a white traditional healer. I don't know what it is that you are trying to divinise here.]
Agb Groenewald, die ondersoek is nog nie klaar nie, meneer. Jy moet wag. [Hon Groenewald, the investigation has not been concluded, sir. You should wait.] [Interjections.]
We are going to give you the results. There are a number of processes that have been put in place.
How I wish that more people could talk like the ANC members have spoken. ACDP member hon Swart, I could not agree with you and your analysis more. Thank you very much. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Debate concluded.