[The MINISTER OF LABOUR (FOR THE MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: NATIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION): I am Dlamini, Jama kaSjadu, Zulu. Therefore we cannot sideline our traditional leaders because most of them are in the rural areas. When we debate about communication between rural and urban areas, we cannot exclude our traditional leaders such as Shenge. We will never do that. It must be enforced that there must be negotiations amongst Chiefs, and we are aware that sometimes problems that create conflict are immeasurable (as many as lice within the Thembu tribe). [Applause.]]