Chairperson, I am sitting here imagining a situation where a department delivers on its mandate and wondering whether Ms Steyn would really be crying foul on a number of issues that she is raising.
Chairperson, Ministers, Deputy Ministers, chairperson of the committee, members and fellow South Africans there in the gallery, all philosophers have interpreted the world. The question, however, remains that of how to change it, as one great philosopher said.
A lot has been said, here and elsewhere, about rural development, and the point remains how we bring about change. Mr Swathe and Mr Groenewald, property continues to be an ideological battle area between those who have and, in most instances, have stolen, and those who don't.
Since time immemorial land and property in general have been an area of ideological contestation. Any government that comes to power has to confront this reality, and as such the ANC has taken the side of the marginalised, dispossessed indigenous -hence the many programmes in the direction of restitution and redistribution.
Of course, Mr Swathe, the constraints in our budget are a hindrance towards achieving the objectives as set out in the programmes above. We are here referring to land that was stolen by families of some of us seated on the other side of the room. [Interjections.]
THE HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M N Oliphant): Order, please!