Agb Voorsitter, die agb Minister, as ek hom reg verstaan, het hy ges dat daar weer na die strategiese planne gekyk moet word.
Agb Minister, u het 'n strategiese plan vir grondhervorming in Suid-Afrika wat 2008 tot 2011 dek. Ek wil vir die agb Minister s dat, as hy wil vorder met grondhervorming, hy die probleme wat al reeds in daardie strategiese plan uitgestip is, sal moet aanspreek.
Kom ek noem twee probleme. Die een is 'n tekort aan personeel. Die direkteur-generaal van die departement, mnr Thozi Gwanya, s hy kan nie sy werk doen nie want hy het nie mense wat die werk kan doen nie. Die tweede aspek is geld.
Ek wil vandag vir die agb Minister s dat dit ook nie gaan help om 'n klomp personeellede aan te stel wat onbevoeg is nie. Inteendeel, die eerste stap wat gedoen moet word wat personeel betref, is om ontslae te raak van die kriminele en die korrupte amptenare in die departement. Dit is eintlik skandalig as 'n mens in die koerante moet lees van valse eise wat ingedien word en van korrupte amptenare wat voor die hof moet verskyn. Ek s nie al die amptenare is so nie - daar is goeie amptenare - maar hierdie slegte amptenare is 'n skande vir die goeie amptenare. Die Minister moet eers van hulle ontslae raak.
Die tweede stap wat gedoen moet word, is om te sorg dat daar genoeg geld is. Die agb lid moet nie hier kom praat van "vrywillige koper en verkoper" en dat dit te veel kos nie. Die Grondwet van hierdie land beskerm 'n grondeienaar met betrekking tot die markwaarde van sy grond, tensy u vandag vir ons gaan s dat u die Grondwet gaan oortree.
'n Verdere aspek is die vraag wat ek, in hierdie Parlement, oor 'n grondoudit gevra het. Die vorige Minister het my geantwoord, maar dit gaan net oor staatsgrond. Maar wat van private grond? U stel 'n doelwit dat 30% teen 2014 in swart eienaars se hande moet wees, maar u het nie 'n oudit nie! U kan nie vir my s hoeveel landbougrond daar is nie; u kan nie vir my s hoeveel swart boere in hierdie land is nie; en u kan nie vir my s hoeveel wit, bruin- en Indirboere daar is nie.
Ek het nou weer die vraag vir u gevra, en ek wil vir u s, agb Minister, dit is tog net logies dat as u sekere doelwitte met betrekking tot die herverdeling van grond wil bereik, dan moet u daardie oudit doen. [Tyd verstreke.] Ek dank u. [Applous.] (Translation of Afrikaans speech follows)
[Mr P J GROENEWALD: Hon Chairperson, the hon Minister, if I understand him correctly, said that we should look at the strategic plans again.
Hon Minister, you have a strategic plan for land reform in South Africa covering 2008 to 2011. I want to tell the hon Minister that he must address the problems that have already been outlined in the strategic plan, if he wants to make progress with land reform.
Let me mention two problems. Firstly, there is a staff shortage. The director-general of the department, Mr Thozi Gwanya, is saying that he cannot do his work because he doesn't have the people to do the work. The second aspect is funds.
I want to say to the hon Minister today that appointing a bunch of incompetent staff will also not serve the purpose. On the contrary, the first step that should be taken with regard to staff is to get rid of the criminal and corrupt officials in the department. It is actually appalling when one has to read in newspapers about false claims that have been submitted and corrupt officials who have to appear in court. I'm not saying that all officials are like this - there are good officials - but these bad officials are a disgrace to the good officials. The Minister will first have to get rid of them.
The second step that should be taken is to ensure that there are sufficient funds. The hon member should not come here and talk about "willing buyer and seller" and about it being too costly. The Constitution of this country is protecting landowners with regard to the market value of their land, unless you are telling us today that you are going to contravene the Constitution.
A further aspect is the question I asked, in this Parliament, about a land audit. The previous Minister replied to me, but the reply only pertained to state-owned land. What about private land? You have set a goal that 30% must be in the hands of black owners by 2014, but you don't have an audit! You can't tell me how much agricultural land we have; you can't tell me how many black farmers we have in this country; and you can't tell me how many white, coloured and Indian farmers we have. I have just asked you the question once again, and I want to tell you, hon Minister, it is only logical that if you want to achieve certain goals with regard to land redistribution, you will have to conduct that audit. [Time expired.] I thank you. [Applause.]]