If you want to come and have a drink with me at lunchtime, so you can be as brave as you are now, come. I'll tell you, Johnnie Walker; I'll buy you one and I'll explain to you exactly what you want to know.
Now, before I was interrupted, let me ... [Interjections.] ... oh, this is very strong. One would've thought that maturity would reign, and once we've had the fights about the board and once we've been able to agree on a whole lot of people, that there would then be maturity to say, "OK, we now have to lend credibility and legitimacy to this board to fix up the problem", because you and I, in the committee, can come and be militant here, but the only way we're going to fix it is through that board.
The big joke is, and hon Lindiwe Mazibuko tried to dance around the issue, that the militancy we see now is exactly the militancy that was here when we appointed the interim board. We were told that we were politicising the board and it's terrible. We were told that we were putting all these hacks on it, and today, the biggest fans of the interim board are the opposition. In fact, some of these opposition parties nominated some of those people from the interim board to try and get them on this board. The rest of us didn't do that. So, you have to be careful that, if you want to achieve a goal, and the goal we have to achieve is to fix this sick puppy, there's a vehicle through which we have to do it, and to try and come and be militant here and shoot down candidates whom no one can fault, individually or collectively, to do the job, is the wrong thing to do.
Of course, then we have the hon Alberts, a man of pure genius. I don't know where he read these things, but he comes and tells us today that what happens in a democracy is that the majority actually wins. When the majority vote, they actually win, and that's terrible, that's really terrible. By definition, what he and others are arguing is that, if we in the committee agree to the opposition's candidates then that will be democracy. When we agree to our candidates that's not democracy. The same thing with politicisation; we asked them in the committee and they said that we are politicising the process, we said, "Why do you say that?" And they said, "You're not agreeing to our candidates". We said, "But you're not agreeing to our candidates". Why is that not politicisation?
So, at the end of the day, the fact of the matter is that the way it works in a democracy - let me just explain to Adv Alberts - you don't have to amend the Constitution. In fact, every democracy in the world works like that. I know you're surprised by the fact that we have got this unique democracy, where the majority actually reigns, but I must tell you that most democracies in the world ...