Madam Speaker, I wish the hon member had not crossed the floor to Cope because he was the last adviser to the Minister of Housing. I am prepared to give you back the position as my adviser. [Laughter.]
We agree that there are sensitivities to the list process and we believe that if it is done manually it will always be open to manipulation.
I have established an information communications technology, ICT, system around housing lists, which will be launched next month. This will enable the Minister and any one of us here, through a laptop with a special code and a computer password, to track any list in all nine provinces, in the cities, in a specific housing project - we currently have more than 8 000 housing projects on the ground. You can actually login and know who is on the list, how that list is moving and so on.
What is crucial for our people, and why they are not accepting anything less, is that being in the queue as a beneficiary is not a problem. The problem is seeing the queue remaining stagnant. Today you can be number 44, but tomorrow you can be number 68. They want to see progress. That's all we owe them - as Nyerere once said, people are not asking for houses now, education now, health now - those types of things. What they want is demonstrable evidence that we take them seriously - to apply this ICT.
Leave the manual system to ensure that I, when I'm sitting in the Ministry, and anybody here, can press a computer in this House and have access to these lists. Only when we have publicised these electronic lists can journalists, members here and portfolio committee members follow the process. We believe that it will lead to a reduction, not the complete eradication, of corruption. We are getting there. I thank you. [Applause.]