Chairperson, on a point of order: I did not want to interfere. [Interjections] There was a ruling in the other House that a member of this House can't speak on behalf of a member of the executive council, MEC. I raised it when the hon Mncube was doing that. Now hon De Villiers said that he was speaking on behalf of the MEC. I don't think it's correct. There was a ruling on this thing and we must not create that culture for members of this House. We have an oversight duty over the executive and we cannot speak on their behalf.