Hon Chair, I just want to indicate that we as the regulator do not have the figures he has. I must also indicate that I had a meeting with the Chamber last week and they alluded to the fact that the companies had not achieved this.
With the current problems and challenges we are facing, if the big companies, the 10 big companies which you are talking about, could achieve this, I don't think we would be having an issue with the transformation of the mining sector in this country. They are far from that. I further need to ask: if your Anglos and BHPs, those companies, have not achieved this, how can you say that most of them have achieved the 2014 targets? They have not - we are engaging on that.
Part of the process has been to improve the Mining Charter in a way that allows us to review this on an annual basis, and ask how we can best achieve those targets. What was presented to the portfolio committee by the Chamber and the CEO was incorrect. I just wanted to say that, and they have alluded to that. There are many factors attached to the Charter which are required, and they are not compliant at this stage. We are engaging with them with the intention of ensuring that when 2014 comes, we will be better off and they will have achieved this.