Hon House Chairperson, some of the questions have been addressed by the hon member Buti Manamela. I also really want to appeal to the members that when we come here for a Budget Vote debate, even if they have prepared their speeches, they must listen, and listen carefully, to what the presentation is about, and not come back and ask questions that have been responded to.
I want to touch on the issue of employment equity, which hon member Alberts raised. He said we must not look at race. However, before 1994, when the black people were oppressed, it was because of their colour. They were oppressed and exploited. Even today, some of them are being exploited because of their colour. That is why we are saying there should be employment equity.
When you go to certain industries, big industries, you will still find people that are called "unqualified engineers". Why? It's because of their colour; they are black and don't have qualifications. The question is why those industries do not prioritise the so-called "unqualified engineers". [Interjections.] I think you should shut up, hon member, so that I am able to respond to what you have raised.