Do not create suspicion about this. We openly and frankly discuss these issues. The debates on these matters must not be swept under the carpet because we are afraid to offend you. We want to debate them. If that is a conclusion we democratically arrive at, it will be done persuasively. We come from the ANC - we have learnt to persuade and be persuaded. You are patronising us by insinuating that we will do it surreptitiously. You are out of order. [Time expired.]