Madam Chair, the Minister is right to use the word "anecdotal" - in isiZulu we talk about "amahemuhemu" [hearsay]. I think it is important to do proper research. The NCR, to its credit, is doing good research, and they have visited not only Marikana but many other places around the country. They have found contraventions, but not necessarily anything special, in Marikana.
My question to the Minister is this. If he is going to ask the NCR to do the investigation, I think they ought to ask the people who borrow money whether they are pleased to borrow it, and whether they are pleased to be able to borrow it from reputable banks like Capitec, FNB, and African Bank instead of the "mashonisas" [illegal moneylenders], who are operating illegally?