As if that were not punishment enough for the DA, four more DA councillors in Tshwane are set to defect to the ANC, to take the tally up to eight. According to the Tshwane ANC Deputy Chairperson, Mapiti Matsena, the four councillors will leave the DA in pairs during the next two council sittings. It is going to be two per council meeting until the elections. [Interjections.]