Chairperson, I won't repeat what we said here when we were debating these two pieces of legislation.
Dit is baie interessant om 'n lid te wees van die ANC, want as mense hoof- of maagpyne kry, is die oorsaak altyd die ANC. [Being a member of the ANC is very interesting, because when people get headaches or bellyaches, the cause is always the ANC.]
Asizi kukuphinda esakutshoyo apha, baba uNdlovu, ukuba akukho nto intsha enize ngayo niliqela eliphikisayo. Nisathetha laa nto naniyithethile. Kuzanyiwe ngazo zonke iindlela ukuqinisekisa ukuba lo mthetho asiwuphumezi. Imibutho ephikisayo izame iinkundla zamatyala isebenzisa abantu bangaphandle, ibahlawula ukuze basise ezinkundleni zamatyala, yoyisakala. Izame ukufakela amagatya athile kule Mithetho iYilwayo mbini, kwiBhunga laMaphondo leSizwe. Sawakhaba loo magatya. Ngexesha esasithatha isigqibo apha kule Palamente siyi-ANC, sikunye nani, sayibeka elubala into yokuba asizi kuthenga buso.ngesigqibo sethu. Into engamandla apha kukuba silwe ubundlobongela , hayi ukuzithengisa. Ukuba kukho iqela elithi apha lo Mthetho uYilwayo siwuqulunqileyo siyi-ANC uza kwenza ukuba abantu bangabi ngakuthi kuba benoluvo lokuba awulunganga, loo nto siya kuyibona kulo nyaka uzayo ngoApreli. (Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)
[We are not going to repeat what we said here, hon Ndlovu, but you are not bringing anything new to the table as the opposition party. You are simply repeating what you had said before. Opposition parties tried by all means to make sure that we do not pass this Bill. They tried to stop us, using people from civil society by paying them to take us to court, and failed. They also tried to insert some clauses in these two Bills, in the National Council of Provinces. We rejected them. When we took a decision in this regard as the ANC, and other parties, we mentioned that we did so without fear or favour. The important thing here is to fight crime, not to market ourselves. Any party that claims that the Bill proposed by the ANC will make people turn against it because they will regard the Bill as not good, we will see about that next year in April.]
As the chairperson of the safety and security portfolio committee, it is so nice to have members of the opposition, especially the hon Kohler-Barnard.
Hayi, yimbongi leya! Uyakwazi ukuyenza intsomi emini. Ndiyakonwabela kakhulu ukuba kwikomiti enaye. Uya kuze aniculele, athethe ade agqibe ningakhange nimve ukuba utheni na; njengangokuya ebethetha apha. (Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)
[My, what a poet! She can tell folktales in daytime. I enjoy being in the same committee as her. She would talk - kind of singing - and talk, without making much sense, like she was doing here.]
The only problem she has is that when you talk about the national commissioner, she is not concerned about the position of the national commissioner. In her mind, you are always referring to Jackie Selebi when you talk about the national commissioner. [Interjections.] It is only Jackie Selebi. [Interjections.] There is no case whatsoever that is being dealt with ... ... eza kuvele iphelele emoyeni. Onke amatyala aza kuphathwa ngokufanayo, kubandakanywa nelikaJackie Selebi. Ukuba unengxaki noJackie Selebi, hamba uye kuyisombulula noJackie Selebi, ungazi nayo apha. Ndiyabulela, Sihlalo. (Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)
[... which will disappear in the air. All the cases will be treated equally including the one of Jackie Selebi. If you have a problem with Jackie Selebi, go to him and solve it, do not come here with it. Thank you, Chairperson.]
Division demanded.
Question put: That the National Prosecuting Authority Amendment Bill, as amended, be passed.
House divided:
AYES - 204: Abram, S; Ainslie, A R; Anthony, T G; Asiya, S E; Baloyi, M R; Beukman, F; Bhengu, P; Bloem, D V; Bonhomme, T J; Booi, M S; Burgess, C V; Cele, M A; Chalmers, J; Chikunga, L S; Chohan, F I; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; Davies, R H ; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Direko, I W; Dithebe, S L; Dlali, D M; Doidge, G Q M; Du Toit, D C; Fankomo, F C; Fazzie, M H; Fihla, N B; Frolick, C T; Gabanakgosi, P S; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E ; Gerber, P A; Gigaba, K M N; Godongwana, E; Gololo, C L; Gore, V C; Greyling, C H F; Gumede, D M; Gumede, M M; Gxowa, N B; Hajaig, F; Hanekom, D A ; Hendrickse, P A C; Hogan, B A; Huang, S; Jacob, A C; Jacobus, L; Jeffery, J H; Johnson, C B; Johnson, M; Jordan, Z P; Kalako, M U; Kasienyane, O R; Kekana, C D; Kgabi, L M; Khauoe, M K; Khumalo, K K; Komphela, B M; Koornhof, G W; Kotwal, Z; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Lishivha, T E; Louw, J T; Louw, S K; Ludwabe, C I; Luthuli, A N; Mabaso, S B; Mabena, D C; Madasa, Z L; Madella, A F; Maduma, L D; Mahlaba, T L; Mahlawe, N M; Mahomed, F; Mahote, S; Maine, M S; Maja, S J; Makasi, X C; Makgate, M W; Malahlela, M J; Maloney, L; Maluleka, H P; Maluleke, D K; Manana, M N S; Martins, B A D; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R J; Mashile, B L; Mashishi, A C; Masutha, T M; Mathebe, P M; Matlala, M H; Matsemela, M L; Matsomela, M J J ; Maunye, M M; Mayatula, S M; Mbili, M E; Mdaka, N M; Meruti, M V; Mfeketo, N C; Mgabadeli, H C; Mkhize, Z S; Mkongi, B M; Mnguni, B A; Mnyandu, B J; Moatshe, M S; Modisenyane, L J; Mofokeng , T R; Mogale, O M; Mogase, I D; Mohamed, I J; Mohlaloga, M R; Moiloa-Nqodi, S B; Mokoena, A D; Mokoto, N R; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Montsitsi, S D; Moonsamy, K; Morkel, C M; Morobi, D M; Morutoa, M R; Morwamoche, K W; Mosala, B G; Moss, M I; Motubatse-Hounkpatin, S D; Mpahlwa, M B; Mthembu, B; Mthethwa, E N; Mtshali, E; Mzondeki, M J G; Nash, J H; Ndlazi, Z A; Ndzanga, R A; Nene, M J ; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngaleka, E; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngcobo, N W; Ngculu, L V J; Ngele, N J; Ngwenya, W; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njobe, M A A; Nogumla, R Z; Ntuli, B M; Ntuli, M M; Ntuli, R S; Nwamitwa-Shilubana, T L P; Nxumalo, M D; Nyambi, A J; Nyembe, K K M; Nzimande, L P M; Olifant, D A A; Phala, M J; Pieterse, R D; Ramakaba-Lesiea, M M; Ramgobin, M; Ramodibe, D M; Ramotsamai, C P M; Rasmeni, S M; Schippers, J; Schneemann, G D; Schoeman, E A; Seadimo, M D; Sefularo, M ; Sekgobela, S P; Selau, J G; September, C C; Sibande, M P; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibhidla, N N; Siboza, S ; Sikakane, M R; Sizani, S; Skhosana, D N; Skhosana, W M; Smith, V G; Solo, B M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Surty, M E; Swanson-Jacobs, J; Thomson, B; Tobias, T V; Tolo, L J; Tsenoli, S L; Tshivhase, T J; Tshwete, P; Twala, N M; Vadi, I; Van den Heever, R P Z; Van Wyk, A; Vundisa, S S; Wang, Y; Wright, F J; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 55: Bekker, Dr H J; Bici, J; Blanch, J P I; Boinamo, G G; Botha, C-S; Camerer, S M; Davidson, I O; Delport, J T; Doman, W P; Dreyer, A M; Dudley, C; Ellis, M J; George, D T; Groenewald, P J; Joubert, L K; Julies, I F; Kalyan, S V; King, R J; Kohler-Barnard, D; Labuschagne, L B; Lebenya, P; Marais, S J F; Mfundisi, I S; Minnie, K J; Morgan, G R; Mpontshane, A M; Mulder, C P; Mulder, P W A; Ndlovu, V B; Nel, A H; Nkabinde, N C; Rabie, P J; Schmidt, H C; Seaton, S A; Selfe, J; Semple, J A; Seremane, W J; Sibuyana, M W; Sigcau , S N; Singh, N; Skosana, M B; Smuts, M; Spies, W D; Steyn, A C; Swart, M; Swart, P S; Swart, S N; Swathe, M M; Trent, E W; Van Der Walt, D; Vos, S C; Waters, M; Weber, H; Woods, G G; Zikalala, C N Z.
Question agreed to. Bill, as amended, accordingly passed.