Madam Deputy Speaker, responding first to the hon Dreyer, I am glad to see education in motion. Last week she learnt to count and this week she learnt the new word ``privatise''. Now if the hon Dreyer can find a buyer for an airline, then she should say so. But airlines are not a business that sensitive people are rushing into. Therefore, before she makes these pronouncements, I would advise her to learn something about economics along with counting and new words. It will certainly help the quality of debate on these issues.
I want to caution against crying, "Wolf!" and I want to caution against people who get up and say, "Oh, the safety of airline passengers is compromised". I don't think that this House must tolerate these kinds of statements. They are wrong in every sense of the word. Having said that, does she ride a bicycle back to wherever she comes from? Does she fly? If she flies, she presumably has trust in the airline; if not, I would suggest she uses an alternative mode of transport.
The point about all the skills in the airline industry is that they are highly mobile. Pilots have been recruited from everywhere to everywhere and it's not a uniquely South African problem. So stop blaming democracy. If you want to go back, please visit Orania. They've got a wonderful airline, Orania Lugmag. It would serve the country very well.
In respect of the issues raised by the hon Bekker, we do, of course, agree with the first part of the statement. I think that there needs to be more of an endeavour to mobilise resources to get food and other things to the poor. Part of what is wrong in South Africa, I think, is that everything is done for profit. So, even school nutrition programmes need to be done for profit. Profit is more important than feeding the children. And children can't learn on empty stomachs. It's that kind of thing that, I think, we must turn around as part of a national call.
We have had discussions on this matter before. The hon member has said before that we must consider zero-rating food items. I have asked him before, and I will ask him again, and I will ask him next week and next year: Which products are they? And he must demonstrate to us which of them get to the poor. The list of zero-rated items in this country - the 20 products on that list - are targeted at the poor and they exclude the rich from the benefits.
Therefore, it's not as though this is an accident. And it's not as though we are not thinking about the issues and researching them them. Again, I would ask him to consider those issues. If you look at the issue of subsidies on food and other items, the countries that are facing the biggest difficulties now are those that cannot afford the food subsidies that they have had. Just look at fuel. The countries that have subsidised fuel - Indonesia, Malaysia, Mexico - can't afford to maintain the level of subsidies that they have provided, and this is where there has been major social uprisings. So I again would ask the hon Bekker to give consideration to these things, because I can give him pages and pages of information about this.
The hon member of the UDM - I'm sorry, I didn't get her name - made a statement about people who make threats and so on. I agree it's a big concern. You see, the problem, though, is that before we point fingers, let's consider what is happening. I don't think that those members who were destroying property in the streets of Durban this past weekend are from the ANC alliance. I don't know where they come from. I'd like to know where they come from, but I know they are not from the ANC alliance. So, before we point fingers, let's give consideration to what is happening and take collective responsibility for statements and actions. [Applause.]
With regard to the issues of Zimbabwe, the hon Mulder was, of course, very lucid on that and we note what he has said. The hon Lee was so emotional after lunch again. But we will invite him to form an army and go and attack Zimbabwe - that's what he'd like to do. And we will see who will follow him into war, because he says go and attack them, so he can go to war on his own. I will stop there. Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. [Applause.]