Sihlalo, angithokoze kuNgqongqoshe unwele olude. Kuyahlupha khona ukuthi uma niye navumelana ngo-elethu ngoMthethosivivinywa uthi uyabhala nokubhala phansi ngoba akuyi kukusiza ngalutho ngoba uhlabelela ingoma eyodwa. Ngiyengakhetha ukuthi ake ngithi ukuthi nje cezu kancane. Ngqongqoshe, siyawamukela umthetho siyiNkatha yeNkululeko ukuthi lo mthetho uphuzile noko ukufika bekufuneka ngabe wafika kudalo.
Indaba yokuthi siwuvume nayi lapho ikhona manje ngibhekise kulabaya abafowethu nodadewethu abathenga impahla kubafana. Uyavalwa lowo mgodi akusekubuye kubekhona ukuthenga impahla kubafana. Bengicela kuNgqongqoshe ukuthi nikubhekisise phela singabheki kuma "scrap yard".
Asibheke laba bantu abathenga impahla kubafana, umfana uza ethengisa umabonakude, inkinga yomabonakude ukuthi ayinayo inombolo kulayisensi yami ukuthi lena-ke inombolo ekamabonakude othize. Ngingaba nomabonakude abangamashumi amabili kodwa ngibe nelayisensi kamabonakude owodwa. Yingakho ngithi akesibhekisise ukuthi masimthola lo othenge kubafana iqine ingalo yomthetho.
Ngize kulokhu kwama "scrap yard". Ngiyabona Ngqongqoshe, kukhona inkinga esibanayo izimoto ziyantshontshwa. Uma beyintshontsha manje basithela ngapha bafake izinombolo okungezona, zomgunyathi. Awuseyi kuyibona noma amaphoyisa eyilindile ngale sekuvele kuqhamuke imoto enezinombolo ezehlukile zomgunyathi.
Ngikusho lokhu ngoba indodakazi bake bantshontsha inqola yakhe, ngemva kwezinsuku ezithize eyibikile ukuthi ilahlekile yatholakala imile emgwaqeni. Angazi ukuthi wayekuphi umshayeli waleyo nqola ngoba amaphoyisa uma efika eyibheka, ebuka izinombolo zenqola kudisk kwatholakala ukuthi azifani base beyidonsa imoto futhi asekhumbula icala elibikiwe.
Into yokuqala engayibuza ephoyiseni yikuthi lezo zinombolo ezatholakala lapho zazibhaliswe kubani kwasekuqaleni? Iphoyisa laphendula ngokuthi kusalindwe ochwepheshe abasebenza ngeminwe ukuthi bazositshela ukuthi kwenzekani. Inombolo yenqola! Nizobheka lapho bebekhwathakhwathaza khona.Inombolo yenqola ayidingi uchwepheshe osebenza ngeminwe, idinga uthole ukuthi yayibhaliswe kwinqola kabani kwasekuqaleni.
Ngakho-ke kuzofuneka uqine umthetho ngokukhishwa kwezinombolo zezinqola ngoba umuntu uyalaphaya ayothenga inombolo yenqola. Ufika athini? Uthi inombolo yenqola ilahlekile, loko siyakwazi ukuthi inombolo yenqola iyalahleka umuntu ayicoshe emgwaqeni, kodwa uma usuyoyisikisa akutholakale ukuthi kwakungubani lowo muntu, nalapho kuthengiswa khona izinombolo zezimoto akulawulwe.
Kufuneka kube nomthetho ochaza kahle ukuthi izinombolo zezinqola bazithengisa kanjani, bathengisela bani, ngesikhathi esinjani futhi izinqola ngeke zintshontshwe uma kungenziwa kanjalo; ngoba indlela okusetshenzwa ngayo yiyona imbangela yokuthi zintshontshwe. Ithi ingalahleka bedlule ngayo phambi kwakho sebeyipendile, futhi isinenombolo entsha babuye bakugibeze wena mnikazi wayo. Uthi usuphakathi uyincome ukuthi ihamba kahle njengaleyo obuhamba ngayo kanti uncoma imoto yakho. Ukhuluma nje ngeyakho lenqola eseyinezinombolo ezintsha. Yilokho Ngqongqoshe ebengithi kungakuhle sikuqaphele, sikubukisise yikho engikubone ukuthi singakhuluma ngakho kodwa ngithi namhlanje icebo labafana lokudayisa liyavalwa. Sithi sifaka izichibiyelo zokuthi akungabe kusathengwa. Laphaya eThokoza kukhona laba abahamba emgwaqeni ababizwa ngokuthi "thiba ka moo" bacelile kubahlali bathi siyanicela bazali bethu ukuthi musani ukuthenga izimpahla ezebiwe ngoba uma ukewatholakala uzithenga uzothola isibhaxu esivela kubo "thiba ka moo". Umthethosivivinywa siyawesekela. [Ihlombe] (Translation of isiZulu speech follows.)
[Mr M A MZIZI: Chairperson, Minister, greetings to you all. It's a little bit difficult and worrying to find that a Bill has been unanimously supported, and there comes at least one fly in the ointment opposing that Bill. I think that would not help anyone because it is in any event pointless to mention one thing without results all the time. Today I decided to diverse slightly. Hon Minister, as the Inkatha Freedom Party, we support this Bill, even though it came very late. In fact, it was long overdue.
The reason we are supporting this Bill is the following: I am now talking about those brothers and sisters who buy stolen goods. Sadly for them, that door is now permanently closed and they will never be buying from thieves again. I am pleading with you, hon Minister, that you should scrutinise these cases, and also that we should not only concentrate on scrap yards.
We must watch more closely the people who buy goods from thieves. What happens is that the thieves would come to you selling a television set. And the problem with the television sets is that they do not have their serial numbers written on your licence to indicate that this TV licence is for a particular television set. I can have twenty television sets with one TV licence. And it is for this very reason that I say if someone is found to have bought something from thieves, let the law take its course.
Let me now come to the issue of scrap yards. Hon Minister, we have a problem, our cars are stolen. If they steal your car, they just go around the corner and remove the original registration plates and put on fake ones. You would never recognise it; even if the police were waiting ahead for it, they would never recognise it because it would then have fake registration plates.
I am saying this because my daughter had her car stolen. Just a few days after she reported it stolen, it was found parked on the road. I do not know where the driver was because when the police arrived, they checked the registration plates against the car disk and they discovered that they did not correspond. Thereafter, they towed the car and they also remembered a reported case of a stolen vehicle.
My first question to a police officer on the scene was in whose name were the registration plates. And he said they are still waiting for the fingerprint experts to tell what is happening. That surprised me and I asked the police whether it made any sense to wait for the fingerprint experts just to confirm the ownership of the registration plates. I was then told that fingerprint experts would first have to lift fingerprints. Now, identifying car registration plates does not need fingerprint experts, but it only needs the information as to in whose name the registration plates were registered in the first place.
Therefore, the law concerning the issuing of car registration plates should be enforced strictly because now it seems that any person can simply go and buy car registration plates. And when a person gets there, what does he say? It's simple. He says that he lost his registration plates. Now, we all know that registration plates can get lost, and usually someone will pick them up on the road. And if someone is trying to use the numbers on those registration plates, there should be a way to detect as to who the owner of those numbers was. The places that sell registration plates should be regulated.
There must be an Act to regulate the selling of car registration plates, and also to monitor who these car registration plates are being sold to and also the conditions under which these are sold. Regulation is very important because it is its absence that leads to cars being stolen. Once your car is stolen, they simply repaint it, put in false registration plates and drive it around in front of you. Above that, they will also give you a lift in your own car. And once you get inside, you would start praising the car for its balances, not knowing that you are praising your own car. It would be your car with different registration plates.
Hon Minister, that is all I wanted us to be aware of and pay attention to. But today I am saying to thieves out there, their strategy of selling stolen goods is finished. We are saying we are making amendments to stop the buying of goods from them now. In Thokoza there is Operation Thiba Ka Moo, and residents there were kindly asked to stop buying stolen goods. They were clearly told that once it comes to the operation's attention that a certain person is buying stolen goods, that person would be punished by the Operation Thiba Ka Moo team. We support the Bill. [Applause.]]
Mr M SITHEBE (KwaZulu-Natal): Hon Minister, Deputy Chair, Chairperson of the Select Committee on Safety and Security, permanent members and special delegates, it is an honour to take part in this debate on the Second-Hand Goods Bill.
The Second-Hand Goods Bill enjoys immense support among the electorate. We conducted three public hearings in the province as per mandate of the Constitution, especially section 72, which mandates us to consult adequately with the electorate out there when we are to enact an Act. Thus, as the NCOP, we decided to embark on this process. And when it comes to the NCOP - that is section 118 - after public participation in the form of public hearings, we met as the Portfolio Committee on Community Safety and Liaison to confer the mandate. We supported the Second-Hand Goods Bill of 2008.
The Bill is informed and influenced by the developmental agenda of the ANC- led government which will ultimately improve the lives of our people. The Bill seeks to repeal the obsolete or outdated Second-Hand Goods Act, Act 23 of 1955, and the Second-Hand Goods Amendment Act, Act 18 of 1978, as well as some sections of outdated Acts of 1956, such as section 21, and the General Law Amendment Act of 1957, section 43 and 44; and finally abolish the restriction on the Jurisdiction of Courts Act of 1996, section 7.
It is essential to note the tremendous intended impact which will be achieved on the lives of all our people in the country. Thus, we see this particular Bill as one that will create a mechanism that will curb the copper and cable theft that we are experiencing, which impacts negatively on the socioeconomic milieu of our people. We are saying this is the Bill that provides a particular mechanism to help us deal with a particular issue and to attend to the developmental agenda that we have set as government to improve the lives of our people.
The rate of theft will be drastically reduced since second-hand dealers are obliged to keep records of all the information that is stipulated in the Bill. That information must be accurate. Punitive measures will be taken if false information is provided. Even then we are saying we are a caring government because those accredited entities will be given 30 days' grace before the National Commissioner will take punitive measures against them. This shows that this Bill is very sensitive to the services that are rendered to the people and also the lives that our people should lead.
The Constitution provides clear grounds for transforming our country and society. The Freedom Charter advocated that there shall be houses, security and comfort. Through this particular Bill, the ANC-led government is determined to create a climate that is conducive to our people leading decent lives without fear of burglaries.
The prophets of doom are proven wrong through such noble initiatives. We have stated that we need to create a better society, and this is the tool and mechanism that is heeding that road map, and we are saying that is the challenge we are faced with.
The other thing that I would like to raise, which was raised in quite a number of those public hearings that we conducted in the province, is that it would be prudent for us to enjoin the Minister to look at the possibility of setting up at least some sort of unit that will deal with this. That is something that was raised in the Eastern Cape, so that we can have some sort of hands-on approach to this type of problem, because it is a new challenge that we are faced with and we want to curb this type of crime that we are experiencing in our country.
We, as KwaZulu-Natal, support the Second-Hand Goods Bill as one tool that seeks to create a better life for our people. The Bill of Rights requires every person and entity to provide information when asked, thus each dealer should have all information at their disposal so that if they suspect anything, they can go and check. If records seem to be not quite in keeping with all assets, then punitive measures will be taken. Thank you. [Applause.]