On the point of order that was raised by the hon MacDonald ... Order, hon members. During a supplementary question by hon Basson, he referred to the Minister as giving arrogant answers. Hon MacDonald rose on a point of order by referencing Rule 85(1). I ruled that the relevant rule would have been Rule 84, as Rule 85 is aimed towards requiring a substantive motion. While the reference to the Minister as providing arrogant answers is not reflecting on the person of the Minister but a perception of her replies, the member could not have been committing the offence in accordance with Rule 84 and Rule 85. [Applause.]