We have covered the restructuring of Eskom, covered the financial aspect of Eskom and now we come to operational part of Eskom. Many of the outages we have been experiencing, is as a result of inadequate attention, in the operational area. It is in this context that last Friday I met with the Engineering Council of South Africa, which is a statutory body, which has some 40 odd volunteer associations affiliated to it, covering all different disciplines in the engineering profession from several engineering, electrical engineering, marine engineering and variety of others as well.