and in particular the bloated management layers, and here again, we have started engagements both as a political organisation, but more importantly as government with the labour constituency and only at the beginning of these processes, the Eskom management must now continue with the process to say how do we best manage this. How do we prepare workers at Eskom, not only for the kind of future they have within the coal mines and coal power station, but what is their future in as far as renewable is concerned. What are the new jobs that they can be retrenched for, what are the new technologies that are developing in the energy industry and how can they best be prepared for that future as well.