... and we had a good understanding amongst us that the role that our traditional leaders must now play with glued effect is much more for a developmental one - working together with other role-players particularly government. And they welcomed that. I had a good sense that we are going to start exploiting the synergies that our respective roles give rise to where they operate as traditional leaders and we, as government, look more closely at government issues. We can mix the two and find good pathways to engage our traditional leaders in developmental issues.