This question has been raised time and time again. As a member of the MK veterans myself, I am sympathising with what happened. Until there is a structure that takes that matter on board so that we do it legally within the structure. The structure that exists for those people, including you and others, is that of military veterans. We took them and they became part of the SA National Defence Force. It is not called SA Defence Force anymore, it is the SA National Defence Force because there are quite several cadres from nonstatutory structures who are commanding these structures which I believe there is a flavour of understanding the history of MK and Azanian People's Liberation Army, Apla - whoever
is coming up there. I always laugh when I see the chief of Defence, he was with me in prison at the same time. He was a farmer in prison and he was looking after chickens; now he is looking after soldiers. [Laughter.]
He has that flavour of understanding that he just can't "skiet, skop en donder" [shoot first; ask questions later], either the police or the soldiers. But there is an understanding that there would be a lot of methodologies that could not have been there, so the flavour rather than the people per se, I guess that there are many of them. I literally trained together with the head of the Air Force in the bush - the head of the Navy was also part of that. These are the people who understand these matters, as we go forward. Thank you. [Applause.]