Hon Chairperson, hon Minister, you have indicated lastly now in your reply that you believe that the measures taken have scared off people to make themselves guilty, yet, right at the beginning of your reply you indicated that these audit outcomes have been continuing for the last few years. So, clearly it hasn't - with due respect - scared everyone off from actually being guilty of such misconduct. Secondly, it can't just be a difference of
interpretation, because you say that there have been disciplinary consequences.
So, it must also be a matter of misconduct as well. Would you agree then that for a department that is in so much of a financial problem situation that it can't continue this way? Also, the problem is actually not an isolated issue. There is actually a problem of financial management in your department because, quite frankly, the situation has not improved over the last three to four years and clearly the measures that you have taken have not scared people off.