It was the corruption and capture of the ANC that precipitated the emergence of Cope. Had our warnings at the time been heeded, we would almost certainly not be in the morasand and be facing the national calamity that today threatens our very existence as a democracy. It took a collective effort by opposition parties and civil society groupings to force the ANC - and I repeat. to force the ANC - to recall Zuma. We all rejoiced. But as Jonas has pointed out, the rot and sleaze is far more structural and systemic. You can laugh, Minister. The ruling party is corrupted beyond redemption. It can no longer self-correct. Its electoral list is cluttered with those that corrupted and looted the state; destroyed our economic growth prospects; gave us rampant unemployment; collapsed business confidence; created unprecedented policy uncertainty; all but collapsed our structures and systems of governance; threatened our judiciary; divided our nation; and rubbished our Constitution, and they