"oversight" role over SAPS and members of the Municipal Police, we are asking whether IPID is appropriately located to ensure that they account directly to the Minister, when, in fact, they have to ensure that they play an oversight role over the Minister. [Interjections.]
We say this consistently because not only is it going to continue to create this adversarial relationship between the two entities, but if you allow the Minister to have a role to play in the appointment, it means that it is going to lessen the effectiveness and undermine the independence of Independent Police Investigative Directorate.