Even with Motsepe, he runs his own business. He is in renewable energy, that is his own business, and he was never favoured by anyone of us. He held a press conference two weeks ago, where he dealt with this very matter. Accusations of conflict of interest and corruption are so easy to make, and people make them without any proof and we are saying where there is proof, bring it, so that we can deal with it rather than just cast aspersions against everyone. [Interjections.]