Hon Speaker, let me indicate that I would like to respond to four motions, but I will try to stick to the two minutes allocated to each.
On the matter raised by hon Oriani-Ambrosini, we want to say to him the ANC policy on Tibet is very clear. There is one China, and Tibet is part of China. Any problem that may relate to any part of China must be left to the Chinese people and their government. [Applause.] We, as the ANC, refuse to bantustanise China, in the same way that China refused to recognise the apartheid Bantustans here. We also do not support secession anywhere in the world. Hon Oriani-Ambrosini knows that. And he has a track record, by the way - in the early 1990s, before 1994, he was one of those calling for an independent Zulu Kingdom! So, he does have this trend of supporting secessionism.
That's the ANC's position.
Hon Speaker, I turn now to the hon member of the DA who was talking about the victory of the Democratic Alliance Students Organisation, Daso. I would have expected something different actually. The hon member stands up and tells us about Daso's programme to transform higher education. It is of no use to come here and simply celebrate the victory of an organisation that has no track record in leading the necessary transformation in our higher education system. [Interjections.] As a Minister I recognise the necessity for organisations to contest elections and for those who win to be recognised, but I will at the same time always ask the question: Where do those organisations stand in relation to transformation? [Interjections.] Daso does not have that record, unfortunately. [Interjections.]
I now turn to the hon member from the IFP, and this is the last but one. I think that as Members of Parliament we have a duty. You are standing up here, hon member, saying that there is alleged corruption and implying that the ANC is involved in that. At the same time, you are saying that the Independent Electoral Commission, IEC, is still going to investigate the matter. But you are already judgemental - that is not what we expect of a hon Member of Parliament! [Applause.] You have to wait for that investigation to take place, because in the end, if there is corruption that we don't know about, we may not know who is actually involved. It may not be the people you are accusing here of being involved. I think it is important for Members of Parliament to respect due processes.
Hon Speaker, I rise on a point of order: May I have the privilege of saying that the Minister probably did not hear the statement made ... [Interjections.]
What is your point of order, sir? Order, hon members! Order! We want to hear.
Hon Speaker, can you invoke one of the Rules here which will allow the member to repeat his statement. I say this because the Minister here seems not to have heard what he said. He did not mention the ANC's name and even quoted the number of names that were struck off by the IEC. Can you allow him perhaps ...
That's a point of information, not a point of order, hon member. Conclude, hon Minister. [Laughter.]
Hon Speaker, to conclude this matter, I want to say that the member said that what had happened there was a reflection on the ANC-NFP alliance. Amongst other things, he was actually accusing the ANC, amongst others, of corruption.
I would like to respond to the last statement, which was delivered by an hon member of the DA, and which is about labour relations and the behaviour of government regarding Marikana. Honestly, our Labour Relations Act prescribes procedures, including recognition agreements with the unions. Whilst we, as government, are prepared to engage with all sides in instances where there are conflicts, we cannot, at the same time, act as if there are no recognised majority unions. As the DA, your problem is that you are antimajority because of the fact that the ANC is the majority. You don't want the ANC to win an election. Thank you very much. [Applause.]