Hon Chairperson, I think what we heard from the hon member about the ungovernability of the Western Cape was extremely wrong. [Interjections.] It is problematic. The reality is that the Western Cape government, led by the DA ... [Interjections.] ... often accuses ... [Interjections.]
House Chairperson, on a point of order ... [Interjections.]
No, no, just be quiet. [Interjections.] Please just sit down.
I think if you want to shout and scream, I will give you five minutes to shout and scream, and then be quiet. [Interjections.] Mr Fransman, please carry on.
Hon Chairperson, the reality is that if there is protest action in any other province, then they say it is service delivery problems. In the Western Cape, there are serious service delivery problems. [Interjections.] The reality is if the premier of the province speaks about black people as refugees, it clearly shows what they are doing in this particular province. [Interjections.] That is the key problem. [Applause.]
When former President de Klerk goes on record and says the homelands were not that bad an issue and black people in the Western Cape feel the brunt of that, then that becomes a real problem for the people here. [Interjections.]
So, look at the way you implement your policy in a skewed pattern of development. That is the big problem. [Interjections.] [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Mrs Kilian, you had a point of order earlier - and please see that it is a point of order.
Madam House Chairperson, I just want to ask that you please advise the Chief Whip of Parliament that when he rises, he should say he is rising on a point of order, or on a point of personal explanation. He is making a habit of interrupting speakers on the floor, which is against the Rules of Parliament. [Interjections.]
Hon House Chairperson ... [Interjections.]
Will you please sit down! [Interjections.]
On a point of order ... [Interjections.]
Will you please sit down! [Interjections.]
On a point of order ... [Interjections.]
Will you please sit down! [Interjections.] Shoo! Will you be quiet? My goodness! The hon Pandor.
Chairperson, I believe this is certainly a point of order in terms of the Rules of this House. I was not aware that we have a Chief Whip of Parliament in this Parliament - that was in the apartheid era, not in this Parliament! [Interjections.]