Let's start
with mining and why we are taking petroleum out. It is one of the few sectors where there is a mine that is 50% owned by workers. That is transformation. It is in mining where we are on a road to put together a mining champion company that is black owned. We have outgrown the belief
that black business must be R20 million run. We must have a massive black business that run the economy.
In Mpumalanga - for those who stay there - there is a plethora of small companies which are black owned. Young professionals are given space to grow and develop their own mines. I don't know what barometer have you used to say there is no transformation. Transformation is a process. What confuses many people, including Ndlozi, is that sometimes they believe that black economic empowerment, BEE, is a social programme which must distribute food parcels. Black economic empowerment is about developing black capitalists in a capitalist society, and there will be fewer of them; not many as if it is a social programme - it is not. [Laughter.] We are developing black capitalists who must grow. When black people become rich we must stop being jealousy.