I get
worried when MPs get surprised by things that they are aware of. All the power stations in Mpumalanga have been around. We have 16 coal generating power stations in the country. They are there. So, pollution by those power stations cannot take us by surprise. That's why it is important that it is not coal or renewables; the commitment is at reducing carbon emissions and other emissions from high emissions to low emissions. That process is going to be a process, it is not an event. That's why we talk of a just transition.
So, if you want a date for that ... no, because you are not an MP, you are a lobbyist. [Laughter.] I can't deal with a lobbyist in Parliament ... [Interjections.]