Mr M S Shilowa

Hon Speaker, in terms of the Rules I can't respond sitting here, so he may have to state it. [Interjections.]

Thank you. I was saying that the challenge is less about whether or not we need intelligence. It is about how, in a democracy, we ensure that we have intelligence ...

Chairperson, Ministers, hon members, I think that one of the challenges we face is less about whether or not we need intelligence, but how ...