Hon member Zondi ...
Ama-Thusong Centre akhiwa yiMinyango bese iwanikeza omasipala. Inkinga ukuthi uthola omasipala bengakulungele ukuwasebenzisa sebewanikiwe ngenxa yezinto zabo, esingeke siqale manje sikhulume izinto zomasipala balapho siqhamuka khona sizozikhuluma lapha kule ndawo yethu. Uma sifuna ukulungisa indaba yama-Thusong Centre masibuyele siyolungisa nakomasipala bethu hhayi ukuthi sikhalaze ngeMinyango. Kodwa kuyiqiniso ukuthi amanye ama-Thusong Centre akhiwa uMnyango Wezemisebenzi Yomphakathi kanye noMnyango Wezokuthuthukiswa Komphakathi amanye akhiwa i-GCIS. (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)
[The Thusong Centres are built by the departments and then handed over to the municipalities. The problem is that you find that the municipalities are not ready to use them because of their issues, which we cannot talk about now, since we cannot talk about the issues of our municipalities here. If we want to resolve the issues relating to the Thusong Centres, then we must do it at our municipalities and not by complaining about the departments. However, it is true that some Thusong Centres are built by the Department of Public Works and the Department of Social Development and some by the GCIS.]
So, we need to co-ordinate that. I think that point is a valid point, but it is also very important to speak to the municipalities as they must be ready to use these Thusong Centres. This is because they always demand these Thusong Centres, but do not have plans on how to utilise them. So we will address that. Thank you for that.
Hon Minister, I hope the International Marketing Council did distribute the South African flag, even in Ventersdorp.
It is very important to discuss the issue of media ownership. I think hon member Kholwane was completely correct. That is why one of the mandates of the Media Development and Diversity Agency is to make sure that they diversify the media in our country.
It is also very important to say that even if people want to argue this issue of ownership because they have access to certain media houses, it's not correct to say ownership does not also affect the outcome or the news that we receive on a daily basis. This is because the editors derive their mandate from the owners of the newspapers and of these media houses. That's why it's very important to also deal with that category.
Let me deal with one point to assist the DA. You see, the DA needs ANC intervention in the DA. I've been told that hon member Mazibuko ... [Interjections.] [Time expired.] [Applause.]