Chairperson, Deputy Chairperson, Deputy President and hon members, we welcome the address by the Deputy President. It is very refreshing and forward-looking as always.
Indeed, there is a lot that we have done to build a society that will be different tomorrow. Today I would not like to focus on that. I would like to focus more on the subject at hand and also look at matters that relate to that. The approach that I want to use is an anecdotal one.
Chairperson, you will note that, in Mpumalanga, when we started the term, a few weeks ago, we were baptised by violent public protests. They were confusing in such a way that we were asking ourselves whether we should go all out in public to proclaim and indicate how good we were in the midst of what was actually happening.
I want to point out why these protests were an albatross around our necks. They also sharpened our understanding of society itself and that there are psychological, sociological, political and economical factors that drive the existence of a society. We understand that when we are faced with those particular situations, leadership becomes a very important factor. We have learnt that communication and empathy are critical when you are serving a society.
We have also learned that societal challenges can only be effectively tackled by a united and formidable force, acting in unison towards a common purpose. Through these experiences, we taught ourselves to speak in one voice. We have learnt that to speak in one voice and work collectively is actually helpful to the leadership of society.
It also taught us that, when you work in a collective manner, you can actually defeat anything that you find. We all know that the situation in Mpumalanga, as we speak, has cooled down. What are the lessons learned from these experiences that relate to the topic that we are dealing with today?
Through our experiences, we have learnt to deal with the challenges of society in a collective manner. In this way, we have managed to bring about serious improvement in our distressed municipalities.
We have pooled our efforts in distressed towns like Balfour and we have seen the finishing of houses that have been standing there for a long period. We have seen the improvement of infrastructure in and around offices. We were able to work collectively with Burnstone Mine in that area. Today, as we speak, that municipality and that mine are working on how to plan for the future of the municipality and they are looking at their capacities in order for them to work together.
We have learnt lessons in Lekwa Local Municipality, where we and the executive of municipalities were able to work collectively, and we built 2 100 houses within a very short period of time. We managed to put in infrastructure for water immediately in that place. Through that gesture, we saw the communities welcoming the leadership in that community and they responded by paying their bills.
Over the years that municipality had been very problematic with regard to collections. Today, they are able to collect 80% of those bills. Now, because of their collective vision, they were able to take that municipality from getting a disclaimer over many years, to a municipality receiving an unqualified report. [Applause.]
In Thaba Chweu Local Municipality, where we had lots of challenges to work together with the leadership around the area, what we thought was a crisis has actually brought joy because, collectively, the leadership of that municipality and big and small businesses have taken the view that they will not focus on mundane issues. They actually told the provincial government they want their municipality to be the first municipality that comes out with a town in a postapartheid South Africa. All these matters attest to the fact that, when we work together, we always achieve the best.
With Mkhondo Local Municipality, the one that we know of, we have learnt that by working collectively with the leadership in that particular area, we managed to quell the situation. We did so by providing infrastructure and initiating a project, the Comprehensive Rural Development Programme, CRDP, that had the participation of NGOs and business in that particular area.
The mines have come into the picture and they have a comprehensive plan that is being implemented over five years. Mkhondo will never be the same again. [Applause.]
These are matters that we want to raise because when we speak about Mpumalanga, we always speak about the crisis and the situation in Mpumalanga where people are at each other's throats. I want to point out that the Mpumalanga we are speaking about today is not the Mpumalanga that we know. Maybe hon Watson will be able to trust us on that.
The challenges that we face in municipalities are very serious challenges, and the issues that the Deputy President has raised are the critical matters that we really have to look at. And for our part, we think that we are going to learn from that and focus on those matters that the Deputy President has spoken about.
We have already started collaborating amongst ourselves - the premier's office, ourselves in Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs, Cogta, the Treasury and the Auditor-General's office. We have actually said that the audits of Mpumalanga, which are a challenge now, have to be dealt with by 2014. We have agreed to have a collective approach to this matter. We meet every three months to review and look at how best we can deal with that particular situation.
We still face a lot of challenges in Mpumalanga. This arises from a lack of capacity because our municipalities and the revenue base are very small. The billing systems and issues of water quality are still a challenge. We do reach out but we believe that water quality is a challenge.
Going forward, as we move towards the beginning of a new term for municipalities, we believe that it is actually giving us a new opportunity to have a fresh look at how we should deal with matters. And we assure you that we work very tirelessly as a provincial government. We use the experiences that we have had over this month and the previous months and the things that we have achieved. We use it in the municipalities and build the capacity through collective responsibility and working collectively.
We want to say that we have always enjoyed the support of national departments and the national government. The planning and the monitoring system that had been put in place in the Presidency can only take us to a brighter side of the future.
Some of these things assist us because, collectively as a province, we also have other challenges that are normally experienced by other provinces. We also started a term with a situation where we had an excess of commitments and collectively we managed to solve that and managed to set aside R2,9 billion.
Chairperson, thank you very much for your generosity. I just wanted to point out to hon Watson that my cellphone is still working and that planning for the future is not a once-off thing, and it is not a one-second thing. The Moloto Rail Corridor is a big project that we are actually working on. Also, on the issue of infrastructure that he actually raised, I do not know which areas he talked about because I saw ...
Ngibone tinkalishi tihamba esikuntiyeleni tidvonswa timbongolo. Ngiyabonga. [Tandla.] [I saw carts drawn by donkeys on tarred roads. Thank you. [Applause.]]
UMntwana M M M ZULU: Sihlalo wale Ndlu, Mongameli wezwe, abahlonishwa abakhona, kule nkulumompikiswano esihloko sithi 'Siyasebenza Ndawonye ukuze siBhekane neziNselelo zeNtuthuko eziBhekene noMphakathi,' kukhulunywa into ebaluleke kakhulu namhlanje kule Ndlu.
Akusiyo neze imfihlo, mhlonishwa Sihlalo nePhini likaMongameli wezwe, ukuthi kukhona lapha kuhamba kancane khona. Nokho-ke ngiyaziqonda izinselelo ezazibhekene naleli lizwe eminyakeni engamakhulu eyedlule - ukuthi kwakuyizwe elaliqondene nengwandla uqobo. Kodwa leyo ngwadla akuyona obungayiphuthuma nje eminyakeni eyishumi noma eyishumi nesihlanu uyiqede ngoba kwakuwukhalo olude oluhanjwayo.
Ngiyajabula ukuthi uSihlalo wale Ndlu ukubeke lapha kwacaca bha ukuthi uma ngabe omasipala noma imikhandlu yabohulumeni basemakhaya siyobabukela phansi, singakwazi ukubanikeza izinkece kahle. Ngeke sikwazi ukuhlangabezana nezidingo ezibhekene nabantu bakithi eNingizimu Afrika yonke.
Ngikhuluma kahle ngoba zimbalwa nje izifundazwe zethu ezingenazo izindawo zasemakhaya - njengami nje njengomfana owalusa izinkomo, ngazi kahle kamhlophe ukuthi uma ngikhuluma ngoNongoma, Melmoth, Nkandla, Mbonambi ngikhuluma ngani. Ngikhuluma ngezindawo lapho kungekho khona izikhungo zentela, phecelezi ama-revenue base abangathembela kuwo ukuze baphile. Ukuze baphile bathembele kule mali yakho, Mongameli, yesibonelelo esivela kuhulumeni njengoba kunguwe obhekene nokuncelisa ngayo izintandane.
Angeke sikuphike ukuthi thina maqembu ezombusazwe sinezinkinga esibuye sizidale uma sesiphaka abantu emisebenzini. Siyaye singabe sisabafundisa phela ukuthi mabenze njani; kuvele kuthathwe mina nje ngoba ngenza izifundo zokuXhumana, kuthiwe angiyoba yimenenja. Bese kutholakala ukuthi ngiyahluleka ukuthi kubhekanwa kanjani nesabelomali ukuze kufezwe izidingo zabantu. Yileyo-ke inselele esibhekene, Phini likaMongameli, nayo njengesizwe.
Ngiyafisa ukuthi kule Ndlu - njengoba kukhona noNgqongqoshe bezifundazwe, kanti futhi siya ekhethweni ngomhlaka 18 kuNhlaba - mabake babuyele emuva, babheke ukuthi la mahholo okuthiwa abiza isigidi esiyi-1,8 samarandi kodwa othi uma ulibheka uzihambela nje ulibone ukuthi lalakhiwe ngezinkulungwane ezingamakhulu ayi-400 zamarandi. Kodwa ngenxa yokuthi lezi zikhulu zethu eziqashiwe, ziqashwe zingalandelwa muntu ngemuva obheka ukuthi zenzani nokuthi zihambisa ngakho yini.
Yinkinga ekhona le kodwa engingeke ngakusola njengePhini likaMongameli wezwe; lena yinkinga yethu sonke njengezakhamuzi zaleli lizwe okufuneka sibhekane nezinselele zokwabiwa kwezinkece zomphakathi.
Ngicela nisikhumbule-ke nathi emakhaya nasemalokishini, kufuneka nazi ukuthi yiminyaka ngeminyaka abantu bakithi eUmlazi bengakwazi ukuyosebenza edolobheni ngenxa yokuba bengenazo izimfanelo. Into yeminyaka ngeminyaka kodwa sekufuneka thina njengabantu abaphethe sikwazi ukubhekana nalezo zinselele sibone ukuthi senza njani.
Engikunxusayo nje, Mongameli wukuba omasipala basekhaya ikakhulukazi labo abalaphaya emaqaqasini - lapho sidabuka khona thina - babonelelwe ngezimali ngokuphelele ukuze sikwazi ukubhekana nezidingo ezibhekene nabantu bakithi. Ngiyabonga. [Ihlombe.] (Translation of isiZulu speech follows.)
[Prince M M M ZULU: Chairperson of this House, the President of the country, hon members participating in this debate on "Working together to respond to the developmental challenges facing our communities", a very important issue is being debated in this House today.
It is no secret at all, hon Chairperson and Deputy President of the country, that there are some areas that are lagging behind. Nevertheless, I understand the challenges which we were facing in this country some hundreds of years ago. This is not something that you can quickly get rid of in just 10 or 15 years, because it happened over a period of time.
I'm happy because the House Chairperson made it clear that if we undermine the municipalities or local government and fail to give them the funding, they will not be able to meet the needs of the people of South Africa.
I say this, and rightly so, because only a few of our provinces do not have rural areas. Someone like me, who was once a herd boy, knows very well when I am talking about Nongoma, Melmoth, Nkandla, Mbonambi; I know exactly what I' m talking about. I'm talking about areas that do not have revenue bases on which they can count for their survival. In order to survive, they rely on your money, hon Deputy President, which is a government grant, as you are responsible for the wellbeing of the orphans.
We will not deny that as political parties we sometimes create problems when we employ people. We end up not training them on how to carry out their duties. They just employ me as a manager because I did communication studies. Later it is discovered that I'm failing to deal with the budget issues in respect of taking care of the people's needs. That is the challenge we are faced with as a country, hon Deputy President.
Since we will be voting on 18 May 2011, my wish is that even the premiers present in this House should go back and check the halls that are said to have cost about R1,8 million, because when you look at them from a distance you can see that it was built with about R400 000. The problem is that when these officials are employed, no one orientates them to the position and neither are they monitored to see if they are carrying out their duties efficiently.
This is an existing problem which I can't blame on you as the Deputy President of the country. This is a problem affecting all the citizens of this country, hence we need to tackle the challenges of the allocation of public funds.
I request that you also remember those in the rural areas and the townships. You must know that for years our people in Umlazi were not able to go and work in the cities because they did not have the relevant documentation. This happened over a number of years, but we have to face up to it as government.
What I'm requesting from the President is that local government, especially in the rural areas, be adequately funded so that we are able to take care of the needs of our people. Thank you. [Applause.]]
The PREMIER OF THE NORTHERN CAPE(Ms H Jenkins): Chairperson, His Excellency the Deputy President of South Africa, hon Kgalema Motlanthe, hon Deputy Chairperson of the NCOP, permanent members of the NCOP, delegates from provinces, representatives from Salga, the chairperson, Mr Amos Masondo, ladies and gentlemen, it is indeed a great pleasure for me to address this august House on the occasion of the Deputy President's annual address to the NCOP, which once again inspired and enriched us.
Without getting into micro details of the developmental challenges faced by my home province, and mindful of the fact that these challenges have been well-documented, the Northern Cape provincial government has a comprehensive plan in place to address our shortcomings within the context of creating happier communities.
We remain cognisant of the fact that, largely through the efforts of the governing party, the ANC, our country has become much more prosperous. Since the dawn of democracy, on 27 April 1994, South Africa has achieved much. The progress we have registered in various facets of human endeavour thus far clearly demonstrates that, under the auspices of the ANC-led government, South Africa is a country with a bright future. [Applause.]
The collective prosperity of South Africans, however, tended to replicate and intensify apartheid fault lines with notable exceptions. In this regard, the component of the population most affected by deepening and widening poverty and inequality has been black South Africans and, most notably, black rural women and young people.
It is therefore within the context as outlined that the executive council of the Northern Cape provincial government is unequivocally committed to addressing developmental challenges in our home province in the most structured and expeditious manner possible. To this end, both government and the ruling party have unconditionally acknowledged the crucial role that local government has to play, in accordance with its constitutional mandate, to advance the standard of living of our people.
Taking all the developmental factors into account and within the parameters of our official political obligations, we, as the elected public representatives constituting the executive council of the Northern Cape provincial government, are justifiably proud to have launched our unique provincial government campaign, termed Operation Pula-Nala yesterday in Upington, on Human Rights Day. In essence "Nala", a word derived from the Sotho language, means prosperity.
Operation Pula-Nala will, in the main, endeavour to expedite our township revitalisation and rural development initiatives. It will accord a thorough assessment of the objectives and functions of the municipalities within both their current and our historical contexts. Development and work associated therewith must be balanced and coherent, thus Operation Pula- Nala will examine the extent of development in our township and rural areas in an effort to tilt the scale to address major service delivery and related backlogs.
Operation Pula-Nala is about interfacing, assisting and enhancing the capabilities and capacity of local municipalities to make a positive difference and deliver the necessary services to our people.
In the South African context and in the Northern Cape in particular, positive endeavours by government provide the basis for an effective service delivery machinery thereby advancing human, economic and infrastructure development within our province.
Operation Pula-Nala will under the auspices of this particular provincial government, create the conditions necessary for the improvement of the quality of life of all the people in our beloved province.
A municipality is obliged, in accordance with its constitutional mandate, to strive within its financial and administrative capacity to achieve the objectives assigned to it and deliver quality and efficient basic services to its inhabitants. Therefore, a municipality must, by its very nature, structure and manage its administration, budgeting and planning processes to give priority to the basic needs of the community it serves and to the advancement of social and economic development within its jurisdiction. Consequently, it is incumbent on both national and provincial government programmes to find expression at the local level in order to improve the lives of our people.
The following broad eight-point plan, while not being exhaustive, will inform the objectives of Operation Pula-Nala and I will just briefly refer to it: to foster greater co-operation among all spheres of government for better service delivery; to build changing and developing communities; to set the province on a sustainable growth path; to create work, expand jobs and fight poverty; to foster community participation in the affairs of local government; to compile a basket of community projects that need to be monitored on an ongoing basis; to deliver checks and balances for sustainable community development and track the progress thereof; and to also provide social protection and fight against crime and corruption.
In providing and delivering services to the inhabitants within the municipal boundaries, the following basic values and core principles must inform the work of all municipalities in the Northern Cape province. It is therefore incumbent on the administration of any municipality to be responsive to the needs of the local community; to facilitate a culture of public service and accountability amongst its staff; to take measures to prevent and fight corruption; to establish clear relationships, facilitate co-operation and communication between the municipality and the local community; to give members of the local community full and accurate information about the level and standard of municipal services they are entitled to receive; and to inform the local community on how the municipality is managed, the costs involved and the persons in charge.
In effecting the above functions in a caring and expeditious manner, Operation Pula-Nala will create the conditions necessary for the improvement of the quality of life of all our people in the Northern Cape. Operation Pula-Nala will in addition to quality basic and secondary services in essence oversee the following: refuse removal at illegal dumping sites in townships; the creation and strategic placing of communal waste bins in township and rural communities to keep our streets clean; maintenance of township cemeteries in a clean and proper state; fixing of blocked drains especially in townships; proper maintenance of street lighting and changing street bulbs to more eco-friendly and energy-saving ones; the creation and maintenance of sporting and other recreational facilities in townships and rural communities; the fixing of potholes and paving of streets; demolition of unused structures that pose both a health as well as a crime risk; clearing of open veld spaces, and regular water and electricity meter reading.
Owing to certain challenges, we must be frank that service delivery occurred at a pedestrian pace in some municipalities. In this regard, Operation Pula-Nala has prioritised certain municipalities for intervention, to ensure that service delivery is expedited.
Without looking for excuses or dampening expectations, it is instructive to indicate the common challenges that are faced by municipalities and these could be attributed to the following factors: lack of suitable candidates for specific jobs; appointing appointees not meeting the necessary qualification criteria; lack of funding to sustain certain appointments; packages not appropriate to attract requisite skills; managers reporting directly to the municipal manager being appointed permanently; municipal managers not entering into performance agreements; and the percentage of women in senior management positions in municipalities being unacceptably low.
As the Northern Cape provincial government we will, together with government at large and other progressive forces, strive to consolidate people's power for the manifestation of a national democratic society as we fast approach the celebration of 100 years of selfless people struggle.
With the launch of Operation Pula-Nala, we certainly will make a decisive shift to meaningful socioeconomic and developmental transformation in the Northern Cape. Operation Pula-Nala will set in motion a very deliberate programme that will inevitably ensure that the benefits of our political liberation are shared amongst all the people of our province. We cannot and will not fail them in our collective goal to overcome poverty. To this end, the Northern Cape provincial government will strive to engage every role- player in our provincial economy, as it is our sincere hope that this provincial government leaves a lasting legacy for our people, thereby drastically altering the recent course of history.
I am confident, Chairperson, that with the resilience, political will, and commitment that are evident in the Northern Cape, we are bound to make progress in the interests of our people and definitely create better communities. I thank you. [Applause.]
UMBHEXESHI OYINTLOKO WEBHUNGA LESIZWE LAMAPHONDO: Sihlalo, noSekela Mongameli, ukwenzela ukuba siyiqonde kakuhle le ngxoxo yethu ndifuna ukuba siqale sijonge imvelaphi yethu kuqala, ukuze sizazi ukuba siyaphi na. Xa ungazazi ukuba uvelaphi awuzazi ukuba uyaphi na. Ndifuna ukutsho ngokuba apha eNdlwini sinabantu abaphethe imigodlwana netyuwa ikwalapha ezandleni, bahamba bejonga ukuba baza kuyifumana phi na indawo. Abanye sele betshintshe imibutho kaninzi, kwaye sele belibele nokuba babebekwe ngubani na. Uthini ngaba bantu babekuvotele? (Translation of isiXhosa paragraph follows.)
[The CHIEF WHIP OF THE NCOP: Chairperson and Deputy President, in order for us to correctly understand our debate, firstly, I would like us to look at where we come from, so that we know where we are going. If you don't know where you come from you wouldn't know where you are going. I want to say that because, in this House, we have people who are carrying small packages, with salt in their hands wondering where they can get a place. Some of them have changed parties several times, and they have already forgotten who put them in these positions. What do you say about the people who voted for you?]
Let me move away from that. Chairperson, the theme of the Deputy President's address clearly speaks to our shared responsibility to address the immense socioeconomic challenges facing our people. It is also in line with the ANC's declaration to make 2011 a year of job creation through meaningful economic transformation and inclusive growth.
Our people suffered enormously during apartheid. They bore the brunt of the repressive apartheid state and its racial preference policies that were designed to dismantle the fabric of our society and dignity of our people. They were faced with a vicious state that used all its efforts and energy to ensure that their lives remained unbearable and they were faced with some of the most atrocious circumstances. They were faced with deep inequalities, which were associated with extraordinarily high levels of joblessness and poverty.
The apartheid government redirected its energy to ostracising and suppressing the political, social and economic activities of Africans, coloureds and the Indian population in South Africa. In the early nineties, fewer than one in three adults were employed and over half of all households in the former Bantustans depended mostly on remittances or grants, compared to under a quarter in the rest of the country.
Our people were deprived of opportunities for growth by a string of racially orchestrated policies and pieces of legislation. Amongst the employed, many workers had poorly paid, insecure and dead-end jobs that rendered no security to their families, other than to exploit their labour. Despite substantial improvement in employment creation since l994, South Africa still ranked amongst the 10 countries with the lowest level of employment in the world.
It is under this premise that we waged a concerted effort to break the cycle of repression and usher in a new dawn for our people. The struggle against apartheid was anchored on the need to restore the dignity of all South Africans - especially black people and we all know who black people are - who were stripped of their humanity and dignity by the apartheid regime.
It is this majority that bears legitimate expectations that the demise of the apartheid regime will mean giving effect to their legitimate aspirations of a better life and development in their communities. It is this majority that today knows for sure that democracy has ushered in a new sense of hope and brought new opportunities to break the cycle of poverty and underdevelopment in their communities. It is this majority that knows for sure that our nation has a new government that knows their needs and challenges.
A group of African experts, led by Dr Omano Edigheji, a political economist at the Centre for Policy Studies in the Human Sciences Research Council, wrote an impeccable assessment of the ANC government's attitude towards building a better South Africa.
In a publication he published with a group of African scholars titled Rethinking South Africa's Development Paths: Reflections on the ANC's Policy Conference Discussion Documents they wrote and I quote:
It is commendable that the ANC is taking the lead in trying to establish a basis on which to chart the future trajectory on which to meet the needs of democratic South Africa. Equally commendable is that the party has taken it upon itself to evaluate its performance of the last 13 years, as it has done on regular intervals. It needs to be said that this kind of self-introspection is unparalleled in most developing countries.
This analysis speaks to our openness about the challenges facing our people. It is a reflection of our commitment to work with our people in order to deal decisively with the challenges caused by the long years of apartheid. We have built a resilient economy which has been able to survive the global economic crisis.
We are making significant improvements in key areas of domestic policy, such as health, education and visible, vigorous and effective crime prevention. We are upgrading and expanding our transport, energy, telecommunications and social infrastructure to contribute to economic development.
We implement sound macroeconomic policies and create an effective regulatory environment with sustained political and social stability to continue making South Africa a candidate for even greater and faster economic growth.
Breaking the cycle of poverty, creating decent work for our people, reducing inequality and defeating poverty can only happen through a new growth path founded on the restructuring of South Africa. We say this because we are aware that although our new government has worked tirelessly to build a new economic path vision, our economy was ravaged by long years of apartheid, isolation and exclusion.
One of our most eminent national leaders and a stalwart of our people, Chief Albert John Mvumbi Luthuli, delivered a speech to the SA Congress of Democrats in Johannesburg in l958 - I hope that I have been heard clearly - which was titled: Our vision is a democratic society. He said and I quote:
The essence of development along your own lines is that you must have the right to develop, and the right to determine how to develop.
Its essence is freedom and - beyond freedom - self-determination. This is the vision we hold for our future and our development.
In a lecture he delivered after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize, he said and I quote:
...all Africa has this single aim: our goal is a united Africa in which the standards of life and liberty are constantly expanding; in which the ancient legacy of illiteracy and disease is swept aside; in which the dignity of the people is rescued from beneath the heels of colonialism which have trampled it.
It was such a strong and heavy message. The messages of Chief Albert Luthuli and other visionary leaders of our movement find expression in our new growth path.
Our nation has adopted a new growth path that challenges all of us to work together to address inefficiencies and constraints across the economy and partner to create new decent work opportunities. This ushers in bold, imaginative and effective strategies on how to collectively achieve a more developed and democratic South Africa. It identifies the environment required to take advantage of opportunities and where it can be found. It speaks to the theme of the Deputy President's address and calls on all of us to work together.
This growth path takes the fight against unemployment to our people. It speaks to the need to accelerate employment creation, primarily through direct employment schemes, targeted subsidies and a more expansionary macroeconomic package.
This new growth path acknowledges that South Africa is faced with a domestic market that is relatively narrow due to the relatively small population and faced with low employment levels and deep inequalities. The growth path therefore proposes strategies to: firstly, deepen the domestic and regional market by growing employment; and secondly, to widen the market for South African goods and services through a stronger focus on exports to the region and other areas.
Before my time expires, I want to say to hon Watson that services are not reaching the poor because the previous racist government ensured that resources were distributed in such a way that they only reached a few. It also speaks to what hon De Lille said earlier. I fully agree with her that the poor are poorer because the open society benefits the rich and the previously advantaged only.
Hon Watson must also understand that he created homelands. He voted for that. That is something you should have voted against immediately. Then you would have been a better speaker today. The question I want to ask him is: What if he was to go to Gugulethu, Nyanga or Langa today? It was in 1965 and Langa is the oldest township here in the Western Cape. I find it strange that he is looking only at Moloto. What about the other things that had been done?
On corruption, I do want to say that the leader of the hon member can still not account for the taxpayers' money. Hon Bloem, in my language we always say "Susa umqadi okwelakho iliso kuqala" [You must first get rid of the speck in your eye].
concerning the speakers' list that hon Watson complained about ...