Yes, he is the bulldog of British politics. He said that one should be magnanimous in victory and gracious in defeat. That is what we should be.
Just because the ANC is magnanimous and comes up with a Constitution and laws which are meant to reconcile the nation - those formations formerly in South Africa - it doesn't mean that you should poke our eyes out every time we come to this Chamber, and say that we are failing in this and that.
There are South Africans here. They are here to listen and get hope, but sometimes they get no hope from some of us here. They are probably worried about what they hear here.
I once visited Canada as a speaker after an election in which a labour- friendly political party had lost. There was a conservative party. We were speakers. We were sitting there and there was a huge debate and fight. The Speaker adjourned the meeting. When they came back, everything was in order. After that we asked the Speaker what he had done. He said that he had called them outside and told them that Canadians were watching them as they debated. He asked them what they thought they were telling Canadians through the kind of conduct that they were demonstrating in the House.
I thought about it today, and I think about it every time I come to the Chamber. Sometimes the way in which we debate issues does not tell the people of South Africa that we are serious in the Chamber. Thank you, sir. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.