You must bring it to me. We have 8 041 members ... [Interjections.] That hon member is confused. That hon member is confused by the truth.
Thank you very much, hon Mfundisi, for acknowledging the work that we are doing in the North West and Limpopo. We will explain exactly what we are trying to do. Those were pilot projects that we want to replicate. Thank you very much. [Interjections.]
Hon Dudley, yes, perhaps at the beginning we had communication challenges. We have established that there are members of the National Reference Group sitting here now. These are people who come from communities in all the provinces. Each province has two representatives. They are sitting here. Organised agriculture, both black and white - they are all sitting here. They are members of the National Reference Group, so we have covered that ground.
Hon Groenewald, meneer, [sir] all change creates uncertainty. South Africa is undergoing change. Change brings uncertainty, more especially for people who have. Those who don't have anything want to have. Those who have something are afraid that they will lose what they have. Those who don't have have nothing to lose. So let us not worry about that.
We are working with farmers. Some of them are sitting here. I hope that ... [Inaudible.] ... is here. He was supposed to be here. [Interjections.] Those are people who are participating with us in formulating policy on land reform. So I don't think we should exaggerate the uncertainties. [Interjections.]
Thank you very much, hon Ntapane, for your contributions here.
I think hon Cebekhulu is also very consistent and objective. He tells us where we are going wrong, and where we are right. Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate that. [Applause.]
Hon Madisha says that he supports the zero-rating. Hon Madisha, I just want to give you this. I know you are very busy. Please give him this parcel here. Give it to the hon member and then you debate after that. [Laughter.] [Interjections.] We can't debate with people who do not understand what we are doing.