Hon Deputy Speaker, let me thank members of the Portfolio Committee on Police. In fact, most of them are saying one and the same thing.
What the member from Cope, hon Ramatlakane, expressed here was that the committee did its best to ensure that we met the requirements of the Constitutional Court. He further spoke of the four pillars that they followed up.
The chairperson from the ANC and the hon Van Wyk expressed similar sentiments.
We listened attentively to the member of the IFP, hon Ndlovu, when he specifically went into detail about the security of tenure, accountability, judicial oversight and the ministerial committee.
To hon Swart from the ACDP, your expression of the fact that what you have done in regard to the Bill over the past weeks goes a long way is noted. I think that one could tell that from what the people who participated were saying.
Hon Groenewald, I think that you can still change your mind. The issue you raised was about the Act itself and the guarantee of passing the constitutional muster. May I remind you that there was a provision for a three-year review, because we had no crystal ball to know how this new entity was going to work.
Hon Kohler-Barnard, I really think that they gave you the wrong speech, unless you wrote it. I say this because, instead of arguing here in regard to what the ConCourt said, you were telling us about Luthuli House and Polokwane, and you were talking about Mangaung! But you can't even pronounce the word "Mangaung". [Laughter.] I really plead with the leadership of the ANC to afford her guest status at the ANC national conference, because I think she likes it. Thank you very much. [Applause.] Debate concluded.
Question put: That the Bill be read a second time.
Division demanded.
The House divided:
AYES - 220: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Balindlela, Z B N; Bhanga, B M; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, P; Bonhomme, T; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Carrim, Y l; Cebekhulu, R S; Cele, M A; Chikunga, L S; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; Daniels, P N; Davies, R H; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Diemu, B C; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlulane, B N; Dubazana, Z S; Dube, M C; Dudley, C; Dunjwa, M L; Ebrahim, E I; Fihla, N B; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcume, N P; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Gumede, D M; Hanekom, D A; Hlengwa, M; Holomisa, S P; Huang, C; Huang, S - B; Jacobus, L; Jeffery, J H; Johnson, M; Kekane, C D; Kenye, T E; Kganare, D A; Khoarai, L P; Khumalo, F E; Koornhof, G W; Koornhof, N J J v R; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kotsi, C M P; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Lekota, M G P; Lesoma, R M M; Line, H; Lishivha, T E; Lucas, E J; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabasa, X; Mabedla, N R; Mabuza, M C; Mackenzie, G P D; Madlala, N M; Madlopha, C Q; Magagula, V V; Magau, K R; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Makasi, X C; Makhuba, H N; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Maluleke, J M; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Manganye, J; Mangena, M S; Martins, B A D; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masutha, T M; Mathebe, P M; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, M; Mbhele, P D; McIntosh, G B D; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhize, H B; Mlambo, E M; Mlangeni, A; Mmusi, S G; Mncwango, M A; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Mohale, M C; Mohorosi, M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Molewa, B E E; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Morutoa, M R; Mosimane, C K K; Moss, L N; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motshekga, M S; Motshekga, M A; Mpontshane, A M; Msimang, C T; Msweli, H S; Mthethwa, E M; Mthethwa, E N; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; N'wamitwa-Shilubana, T L P; Nchabeleng, M E; Ndabandaba, L B G; Ndlanzi, A Z; Ndlovu, V B; Nel, A C; Nelson, W J; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngcobo, B T; Ngele, N J; Ngonyama, L S; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; Njobe, M A A; Nkwinti, G E; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntshiqela, P; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyalungu, R E; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Oosthuizen, G C; Peters, E D; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pilusa-Mosoane, M E; Plaatjies, S K; Radebe, G S; Radebe, B A; Ramatlakane, L; Rwexana, S P; Saal, G; Segale-Diswai, M J; Selau, G J; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Singh, N; Sithole, K P; Sithole, S C N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, M B; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Snell, G T; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Surty, M E; Swart, S N; Thobejane, S G; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Van der Merwe, J H; Van der Merwe, S C; Van Der Merwe, L L; van Rooyen, D D; van Wyk, A; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Ximbi, D L; Xingwana, L M; Zikalala, C N Z; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 57: Alberts, A D; Boinamo, G G; Bosman, L L; Coetzee, T W; Davidson, I O; De Freitas, M S F; Duncan, P C; Eloff, E H; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Banard, D; Kopane, S P; Lamoela, H; Lee, T D; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Lovemore, A T; Max, L H; Maynier, D H; Mazibuko, L D; Michael, N W A; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; Morgan, G R; Motau, S C; Mulder, P W A; Mulder, C P; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabotapi, M W; Robinson, D; Ross, D C; Schfer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A; Stubbe, D J; Trollip, R A P; Van Dalen, P; Van Den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Watson, A.
Question agreed to.
Bill read a second time.