Thank you, Mr Speaker, but we can debate that a little later, when you provide us with water at the reception.
Now, the second major point he makes is about being radical or conservative. If you consult the Oxford dictionary, you will see radical is about getting to the root of a matter. It is about tackling something at a very fundamental level. I would submit that what we have - unfortunately that's the nature of politics in South Africa, and I imagine in most democracies as well - is a very conservative populism which actually masks a neoliberal core and a very laissez faire approach to our politics and our economy. I think I would submit that that is, in fact, a precise description of what we have in the DA manifesto and elsewhere.
I now come to the repeated reference to this so-called paper of the National Treasury. It is not a Treasury paper, but a paper of three individuals. The Governor of the Reserve Bank has issued a clear, categorical denial that this is the official position of the Reserve Bank. Yet, hon members come to this platform with the repeated idea that this is something that we have actually issued as a formal paper and belief.
Remember that, like many things in politics, many of these areas rely on a whole lot of ifs and buts. If one can do x, then one will get y. The difference between us and that "if" proposition is that we actually do it; we actually deliver and we actually spend money. [Applause.] We understand that in the process of delivery one has successes, challenges and even failures, but it only apply to people who do it and confront those challenges. So, Mr Ross, the point that you made about audits is a welcome one. [Interjections.]