Chairperson, it is Kohler-Barnard.
I gave up asking the previous Minister about the demilitarisation in terms of the Defence Force ranks, but I have personally asked the current National Police Commissioner because the SAPS today seems to be a paramilitary force which sees our citizens as the enemy. The National Commissioner said that she has no intention of doing so, and patently she loves being called a general almost as much as hon Bheki Cele does, even instructing various entities to still call him that despite having absolutely no right to the title. When will we rid our SAPS of the odious apartheid era military ranks? Sir, give us the date. [Applause.]