House Chair, Minister, your answered a first part of my question, which was: What convinced you that Mr De Ruyter was the right person for the job? You said it was to lead change. He has led change: The Nampak share price took nosedive under his leadership. So, that is so much for change.
Secondly, there is a perception out there, Minister, and you have to respond to it, that you are leading a systematic process of excluding African leaders from executive positions at state-owned companies. [Inaudible.]
I suppose we do leave in the age of fake news; don't we? All the statistics that we have, which are published in the annual reports of all the SOEs reflect the demographic make up of the leadership. I just can't find the pages right now, but amongst the biggest of the SOEs under our guardianship,