Sekela Sihlalo ohloniphekileyo, ndiza kugqagqanisa okwengqeqe ikhonkotha, ndithi gqaba-gqaba apha naphaya.
English:
Hon Members of NCOP, hon Deputy Chair, I am humbled to present the Sigogo Petition on behalf of the Select Committee on Petitions and Executive Undertakings. The Select Committee on Petitions and Executive Undertakings having considered the Sigogo Petition, and referred to the committee by the Chair of the NCOP on 7 September 2018, reports as follows: Mr Olwethu Sigogo submitted the petition in his capacity as a representative of the National Education, Health and Allied Workers Union, Nehawu, of the Khayelitsha District Hospital Constituency. The complaints contained in the petition relate to the freezing of posts, irregular appointments, absence of Employment Equity, mismanagement of
funds at the hospital and a number of irregularities relating to Occupational Health and Safety at the hospital.
The committee held a total of three hearings on the petition at Parliament. The primary purpose of these hearings was to afford the petitioner as well as the relevant stakeholders the opportunity to make first hand oral submissions, to the committee, on the petition. A number of affected parties attended the hearings including the Cape Metropolitan Health Forum, the Department of Labour, the Public Service Commission and a number of whistle-blowers who relayed their experiences of the Khayelitsha District Hospital in their capacity as staff at the hospital and former staff.
In highlighting aspects of the report, the testimony revealed that even though the hospital is not meant to function as a psychiatric ward, 35 beds are allocated on the first floor of the hospital to accommodate psychiatric patients. As recently as February 2019, there were 79 patients being accommodated in the psychiatric ward. This has led to a strain on maintenance management at the hospital. The safety of psychiatric patients is also compromised since the ward is located on the first floor and recently, a patient tried to jump from the first floor window.
Hon Chair, in relation to the investigation conducted by the Public Service Commission, the committee found that the Public Service Commission did not hold interviews with staff members who were allegedly victimised by the management of the hospital. They only held interviews with the Nehawu leadership and the management of the hospital. This omission is glaring and further erodes the value of the investigation prejudicing the petitioner. It should also be strongly noted that, even though invitations were extended to the Western Cape MEC for Health, the Head of Department of Health of Western Cape, the Acting Chief Executive of Khayelitsha District Hospital, KDH, and Substructure Office of the KDH refused to attend all of the three hearings on the petition, alleging that the committee was acting outside of the powers afforded to it by the Constitution.
The Committee sought the assistance of Parliamentary Legal Services to provide advice. It was noted that while the committee...
Hon Ximbi, can I just take a point.... On what point are you rising hon member?
Hon Chair, I rise on point of order that hon Oliphant used the word shame on you [interjections] and you ruled that we should not use it.
No thank you, no, no no, hon members order. I am very happy that hon Labuschagne managed to observe that. Hon Oliphant, you are out of order, for using the word, shame on you, to another member.
I withdraw.
I have made a ruling hon members; consistent with the ruling that was made before and consistent with the ruling that I made earlier on. Thank you very much, can you continue hon Ximbi.
It was noted that while the committee was able to continue its hearings, the issue of whether the committee has the necessary power to call upon the Department of Health to account is an issue that should be resolved via court processes. In this regard I must also mention that summons was issued for the relevant health care officials to present evidence to the committee, but was challenged by the officials from the Department of Health with an urgent interdict citing the alleged lack of power to be subpoenaed by the committee. The committee found that the Department of Labour should play a direct role in resolving two of the issues that were raised in the petition namely: Employment Equity and Occupational Health and Safety. The committee is
also calling upon the Department of Labour, to assist the petitioners to bring the complaints relating to unfair labour practices on the part of the management of KDH to the Public Health and Social Development Sector Bargaining Council for their resolution.
The committee is also of the opinion that the Department of Health is to investigate the complaints raised in the petition, in particular the complaints relating to the mismanagement of funds and corruption on the part of the management of KDH and the harassment, victimisation, bullying and intimidation of staff members by the management. The committee also suggested that the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, Scopa, invite officials of KDH to come and account. Broadly speaking, the committee contends that the House assists the petitioners to refer the complaints relating to the poor provision of health care and treatment, the poor and unsatisfactory management of adverse incidents and the poor state of psychiatric care at the hospital to the Office of the Health Ombudsman for further investigation. In this regard, the Office of the Health Ombudsman is to commission a forensic investigation or commission of inquiry aimed at conclusively determining the number of children and adult patients who have died due to the negligence and use of...
Hon Ximbi, can you just take your seat. Hon Engelbrecht, on what point are you rising?
Hon Chair, on a point of order. I just like to remind this House of Life Esidimeni where 144 people [Interjections.] were killed by the ANC. [Interjections.]
Hon members, I have not even heard what is the point of order. Can I hear what the member wants to say? Hon members, can I hear what the member wants to say, it is within her right. I will make the ruling.
Hon Chair, I am reminding this House that the ANC was the cause of a 144 people killed in Life Esidimeni. Thank you. [Interjections]
Hon members, I think we need to be very careful. We are dealing with a very important issue here which resides at a very strategic position in so far as our work as the NCOP and Members of Parliament in particular, petitions of members of the public. These are the people who have petitioned the NCOP, and are saying to the NCOP as Parliament, here we have got a problem, come and
assist us as a last resort of public representative. If we are going to play,...
Hon member: Politics.
... whatever, I have not said it. If we are not going to respect what the public has brought us, I can imagine if the children from the Kuils River Technical High School should submit a petition and we behave like this in dealing with their petition in this House. Can we just please respect the petition and hon Ximbi can you continue with the petition?
Hon Chair, let me repeat that in this regard the Office of the Health Ombudsman is to commission a fore...
Hon Ximbi, can you just take your seat. Hon Dlamini, on what point are you rising?
Hon Deputy Chair, on a point of order: Is it fair to justify the death of Khayelitsha people using the unfortunate incident of Life Esidimeni? Can we justify the death of people referring to another unfortunate incident? That is what she is doing.
I dismissed the order, I did not carry it in the House therefore, let us not entertain whatever that was raised because the order was not even carried. That was ruled as out of order. Hon Ximbi.
In this regard the Office of the Health Ombudsman is to commission a forensic investigation or commission of inquiry aimed at conclusively determining the number of children and adult patients who have died due to negligence and use of inexperienced staff within the hospital. While, the South African Human Rights Commission, must investigate the allegations of human rights abuse that have been levelled against hospital management. The Department of Health must take over the KDH whilst it is under investigation. The Department of Labour and Health Ombudsman is to provide the commission with the progress report on recommendations within 60 days of the tabling of this report.
In conclusion, the report of the high level panel on key Legislation, found that the services at public sector primary health care facilities and district hospitals are most widely used by lower socioeconomic groups. Promoting equitable access to quality health care therefore, requires a particular emphasis on ensuring quality within these facilities. The report highlights numerous challenges within the health
care sector. This has ultimately compromised the quality of health care provision for people who access the facility and created unacceptable working conditions for those who provide health care. I so move hon Chair.
Debate concluded.
Question put.
Declarations of vote:
Hon Chairperson, hon members, fellow South African, the petitions and the executive overtaking select committee guidelines, state clearly that the petition must not concern a matter depending on a court of law, a tribunal or a forum and investigative institution or any other body contemplated within the Constitution. Such hearings will unnecessary prolong the petition process, costing taxpayer's money and frustrating the process for the petitioner. Despite the above, the Chairperson of this committee decided to consider this petition which has already been heard extensively by both the Department of Labour and the Public Service Commission.
Despite the rulings and against our own substantive requirements, the Chair decided to continue with the hearing, which most probably because
there is conflict of interest, because one of the petitioners by hearsay is his girlfriend. Wasting thousands of rands in taxpayer's money in three days of wasted working hour, as well as airfare and the accommodation for those call to attend the hearings... [Interjection.]
Hon member I am struggling to follow the declaration, can you please allow me to.
... and to this, the first two hearings were held on party caucus days, ensuring that none of the three days a member could attend the hearings. The third hearing has only three has three ANC members present, preventing a quorum to adopt the report... [Interjection.]
Hon Labuschagne, can you please just hold. Hon Nyambi?
I don't know Chair whether I will be assisting but probably the desk will assist. I hear hon Labuschagne alleging that the person is a girlfriend of hon Ximbi and casting aspersion ... that's what she said, I heard that, she said that. It's casting aspersion on the report by attacking the integrity of hon Ximbi.
Hon members I did really struggle to follow, because of the audio that was coming through. hon Labuschagne did you really say that?
Hon Chair, I said and I will read it to you; despite the rulings and against our own substantive requirements the Chair decide to continue with hearings and I said probably because there could be a conflict of interest, that is what I said and by hearsay one of the petitioners is the hon Ximbi's girlfriend, that is what I said.
Hon members, let me make a ruling hon Oliphant. Hon members, order! The hon member quoting herself says by hearsay and by hearsay can not be a matter for us to really entertain, because...and you know my worry is just that ordinarily I should have said, we will then have to refer the matter for another sitting. Hon members, the two of you ... I am still making a ruling, hon Ximbi can you please be in order, can you be in order hon members and allow make a ruling on this matter! It's a very sensitive issue; we are not going to have another sitting to deal with this matter, and therefore I will rule as follows: I will definitely report the matter because we are still on, even if it's our last sitting, but constitutionally we will still be operationally, as NCOP.
I will refer the matter to the Chairperson for a decision then to be taken based on the investigation as to whether a hearsay that has got a serious, serious implication on the character of a Member of Parliament can therefore be. And I am happy that I made the ruling in the absence of the Chair, in the House because it's a matter that I' m going to refer to her and a decision then will have to be communicated to the said member ... who said that particular matter. I think that is the best way to deal with, because say that in the next sitting of the House we might not have a next sitting until the sixth sitting which will be the first sitting as a matter of urgency, but we will refer the matter to the Chair for a decision. Can you continue hon member.
The Western Cape stands firm and we will not allow irrational decisions of the Chairperson to go unchallenged, where he has made a complete mockery of every Constitution regulation on which Parliament operates and has violated very Rule of Parliament and the functions of Security Council. He has decided to the take law into his hands and has gone completely rogue; ignoring all parliamentary Rules and creating his own kingdom, whereas he has clearly abused this power. This petition has become a political powerball where the ANC so desperately wants to find fault with the Western Cape government that he is prepared to discredit Parliament by ignoring the recommendations
made by both the Labour Court and the PSC, abusing his power ... [Interjection.]
Point of order Chair, I don't understand ... [Interjection.]
How would you know what is point of order, if you don't listen to the point of order. You will know, now allow her to speak, so that we hear whether if it's a point of order or not. Can I hear your point of order hon Oliphant?
Chair, the thing is ...the hon member is saying, the hon member has taking the law into his own hands, where as ...does this committee of the Parliament take the law on its own hands...because we even have legal team in our committee ...is that the way it must have...because it's a hearsay... the hon, DA never attended any meeting.
Hon members, I would not carry the order because it is not the point of order, but rather political statement. Hon Labuschagne or Western Cape. Are rising on my ruling.
Just a point of order, the hon member was... [Interjection.]
...is what you are saying relevant to my ruling?
Chairperson, it is relevant to the aspersion passed against my cast against my name.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP ...No, no I disregarded the ruling, the point of order, now I don't know why you rising on that. I made a ruling on it. We are not going to entertain that hon Engelbrecht, because I have a ruling on that matter. Can you take your seat hon member? Hon Labuschagne.
The government, ignoring the recommendations made by both the Labour Court and the PSC, abusing his powers as the Chairperson to drive an agenda against the DA Western Cape Government. Member of Parliament or any committee in Parliament should ever be misused to exploit sentences for political agendas. I thank you.
Deputy Chairperson, as the Eastern Cape we have a problem with regard to what we are hearing from the statement because even the MEC never attended the aforesaid - if you listen to the report.
IsiXhosa:
IsiZulu:
Egameni lesifundazwe sakwa Zulu Natali Sihlalo ngiyafisa ukuphakamisa ukuthi ...
English:
You know I have got ... sorry hon Zwane. I have members here on my left, very close to me, who are very destructive and I do not know why. Can you be in order. Hon Ximbi, I have no option but to call you by name. Can you please be in order. No, do not do that! Do not justify whatever you are doing. You are destructing me. I want to listen; I was not there; I was not part of the hearings, and you would be expecting me to make certain rulings on what said. Hon Zwane?
IsiZulu:
Ngibonge Sihlalo, ngiyafisa ukudlulisa egameni lesifundazwe sakwaZulu-Natali ukuthi lo mbiko othuliwe yilungu
elihloniphekile uXimbi uyashaqisa. Nanokuthi siyafuna ukuthi abavoti balapha kulelizwe laseNingizimu Afrika babuke isimo sokuphathwa kwabantu eWestern Cape ikakhulukazi kulesi sibhedlela.
Isimo sibi ngeke sifike la kule Ndlu sizopolitika ngokufa kwabantu ngoba khona abantu la abazele ukuzopolitika ngaloludaba lokuthi bayafa abantu laphaya kulesiyasibhedlela ngenxa yokungaphathwa kahle. Abasebenzi abaphathekile kahle ngobanje lesibhedlela sisendaweni yabantu abamnyama. Sifuna ke ukuthi abavoti abalumuke bababuke abantu abafuna ukusebenzisa amandla omuntu omnyama ukuthola ivoti bebe bengenandaba nokuthi umuntu omnyama uphila kanjani la ekhona -okokuqala loko.
Okwesibili, uSihlalo ohloniphekile uXimbi ...
English:
Hon Zwane, can you take your seat. Hon Mpambo-Sibhukwana, on what point are you rising? [Interjections.] I am recognising you.
Hon Deputy Chair, I just want to bring to your attention the oncology department...
IsiXhosa:
... yakwaZulu-Natal ebulala abantu yonke imihla akuthethwa ngayo...
English:
I deliberately switched off that microphone because it is not relevant to the petition we are dealing with. This is a provincial declaration. Hon Zwane, can you continue.
IsiZulu:
Bengisathi ke Sihlalo ohloniphekile siyacela ukuthi impela uMnyango Wezempilo kaZwelonke ungenelele ngoba umbuso kakhongolose ukhonela lokho ukuthi ubahlangule abantu abasosizini. Awungenelele uMnyango Wezempilo kaZwelonke kulesiya simo. Ngiyacabanga ukuthi iKomidi loMkhandlu kaZwelonke Wezifundazwe nalo lizoluqhubekisa loludaba. La kuthulwa umbiko wekomidi lePhalamende akuthulwa umbiko kaSihlalo. Ngakho ke ...
English:
... casting aspersions to the chairperson is very irrelevant because this is a committee report and not a chairperson's report. Thank you, Deputy Chair.
Sepedi:
Modulasetulo, ba re tlogatloga e tloga kgale, modi?i wa kgomo o t?wa nayo ?akeng. Go tloga ka ngwaga wa 1994, ge temokrasi e tsena mo, bao ba bu?ago kua Khayelitsha ga ba kwe?i?i, ga ba bont?he go kwe?i?a gore ...
English:
South Africa is a unitary state. We are a unitary state.
Sepedi:
Ba tlat?a ma?ata, ba re bona mo ba bu?ago ...
English:
In everything, they are the best governors, Deputy Chairperson ...
Sepedi:
... kganthe kua Khayelitsha go bu?a mang?
English:
Who is governing that part of this province? Secondly ...
Sepedi:
... re ka se ke ra dula mo re le baemedi ba batho ...
English:
... and overlook the violation of human rights of the people of Khayelitsha. We will be failing in our responsibility.
Sepedi:
Laboraro, e bolela ka T?hata ya Tokologo. T?hata ya Tokologo e re ...
English:
South Africa belongs to all who live in it.
Sepedi:
Bjale ba ba iphorile ka go hlama wa bona Molaotheo ba lebala gore ...
English:
... the supreme law of this country is Act 108 of 1996.
Sepedi:
Ke molao wa godimodimo wa go bu?a batho kamoka. Bjale, re re mmu?o wo o tlogo bu?a ka moso ...
English:
... in the Sixth Parliament, forensic ... [Interjections.] ... I am not campaigning, I am stating facts. I am not campaigning.
Sepedi:
Re re taba ye e swerego ke komiti ya kgetho, e tle e lebelelwe ke Palamente ya Boselela ...
English:
... forensic investigations ...
Sepedi:
... t?a go tsenelela a di dirwe, gore batho ba Khayelitsha le bona ba itemogele bophelo bjo bokaone la mathomo. Ditokelo t?a bona di swanet?e di hlomphiwe.
English:
The human rights culture must also prevail in Khayelitsha. I thank you.
Okay, thank you very much. On what point were you rising, hon member?
Deputy Chairperson, I was just concerned. Can someone just bring the ex-Chief Whip some water, it seems she needs water ... [Interjections.]
That is not a point of order. On behalf of Gauteng, let me recognise hon Motara. I saw your hand was up. Okay, if it is a mistake, it is fine. [Interjections.] Oh, Mpumalanga?
Deputy Chair, before anything, that poster which states that we should vote for a particular party is up now, again. [Interjections.]
Now I can see it. Hon member, you are out of order. Hon member, you are out of order, and I am ordering you to stand up and apologise to this House.
Deputy Chairperson, I apologise to the people of South Africa for the behaviour of the ANC.
Hon member, I am saying that I am instructing you to apologise to this House.
Chairperson, I will apologise to this House for the behaviour of the ANC. Thank you. [Interjections.]
Hon member, for the last time. For the last time, I am ordering you - without conditions, to apologise to this House.
What do I apologise for, Deputy Chairperson? Should I apologise for holding a piece of paper. [Interjections.] What must I apologise for?
Service officer ... Service officer, because I want ... [Interjections.] ... Order, hon members. Order! [Interjections.] Service officer, please can I get assistance here because I am dealing with issues that need to turn the whole sitting of a House into a political game ... Can you go to the hon Engelbrecht. Hon Engelbrecht, give him what I saw - that paper you are having in your hand. I want to show the House what I am ordering you to apologise for.
I can also show the House if you want me to do so, Deputy Chairperson.
No, no, no! I ordered you to apologise.
I did! I apologised to this House, and I apologised to you Deputy Chairperson - but I don't know what for.
Okay, it is fine. Thank you very much. Hon members, the member has apologised, and it is because it was raised earlier on and an order was given that the member responsible be warned. The member was warned but the poster is up again. May it not come up again, please? I have observed that there are other members who are trying to show their posters but they are being taken away. I have observed some, on both sides. [Interjections.] I have observed some of the posters. May you please refrain from doing that. Hon members, we were still on declarations. I had Mpumalanga, followed by Northern Cape. Is that a point of order, hon Wana?
Thank you, Deputy Chairperson. I wanted to put it clearly that the hon Terblanche has those placards and she must forward them to you, hon Deputy Chair. [Interjections.]
No, no, my order is clear. Should I see any member doing what I have ordered against the behaviour of hon Terblanche, I would ask that member to recuse himself or herself from this House. [Interjections.]
Terblanche?
I would not make any other different order on that. We are done with this issue of demonstrations and placards that are being put up in this House. Is it on the same order?
Deputy Chairperson, I just want to say to you that you can come and inspect my desk here, I don't have any placards.
Setswana:
MOTLATSAMODULASETILO WA NCOP: Nyaya, o se ke wa dira gore letswalo le le molato le ikatlhole, rraetsho. Ke kopa gore o se ke wa ikatlhola, nna fatshe.
English:
I said I have observed. I never pointed at anybody. The ruling was that I don't want to see that happen. [Interjections.] Hon member, are you standing on the same order?
Deputy Chairperson, I want to just confirm that my surname is Engelbrecht and not Terblanche. [Interjections.]
Okay. I apologise on behalf of this House, including myself, for having referred to you by the surname that is not yours. I do it unreservedly with no conditions. It is fine.
Siswati:
Ngiyabonga kakhulu Lisekela laSihlalo ... kuyafanana letintfo leti. Ngiyabonga litfuba lekutsi ngikhulumele Impumalanga Provinsi kulesishukumiso.
Engish:
Chairperson, I want to put to this House that, these issues that were raised during the public hearings of the petition were not for the first time, in the select committee they were forwarded too. The issue of a girlfriend or no girlfriend is here or no there. Those issues are there. I do want to say ...
Siswati:
... kubuhlungu kakhulu kutsi sidlala ngetimpilo tebantfu, yona kanye lenhlangano letsi bantfu bayivotele, ngiyo lephetse lana Enshonalanga Kapa. Lokuvisa buhlungu kutsi ke, lenhlangano letsi ayivotelwe yetama kukhankasa lapha eNdlini, angayi kuyokwenta kuyongena indlu ngendlu. Yalile kutewulale kutsi bantfu baseNshonalanga Kapa, ikakhulukati lapha
esibhedlela batsini ngetimpilo tabo nekutsi lesibhedlela siphatseke kanjani ...
Engish:
...being people who were voted by the people of Western Cape, Khayelitsha in particular, they refused to come and listen to the issues of those people.
Siswati:
Umbuto lesiba nawoke tsina siyiMpumalanga, sibuta uma ngabe bantfu labaphetse labantfu baseKhayelitsha, baveta tinkinga bangeti kutobalalela, batsi abalalelwe ngubani?
Engish:
Does it mean that they only need their votes, not to look after them, not with their money, money that is coming from national government?
Siswati:
Sinalombuto lowo ke Liskela laSihlalo. EKhayelitsha, lapha esibhedlela sicabanga kutsi [Laughter.] kwenteka loku ngoba kuhlala bantfu labamnyama. Uma ulalela iDA sikhatsi lesinyenti, itsi yona lapha iphetse khona .... bebasho nanyalo, baphatsa kakhhulu konkhe kuhle, umbuto wami ke utsi eKhayelitsha, kuletindzaba letiphakanyiswe bantfu
baseKhayelitsha, ingabe nguye lo" all is well" (konkhe kuhle) labakhuluma ngaye?
Engish:
Is it because they don't care about those people? Should have things happened at Grooter Schuur, will they be saying the same? Should these things have happened at Tygerberg, will be saying the same? Why are they treating people Western Cape differently, just because of the colour of their skin. We are prompted by Mpumalanga that with this behaviour of Western Cape Provincial government, for refusing to listen to people of Khayelitsha ...
Siswati:
... sinembono wekutsi akuhlolwe tonkhe letibhedlela, kubukwe kutsi ...
Engish:
... what is happening in each and every hospital? How are people treated? Is it the same care or is it only happening at Khayelitshab ...
Siswati:
... ngolokoke siyiMpumalanga sitsi siyawusekela lombiko lowetfuliwe namuhla ...
Engish:
... recommendations my be taken.
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Order hon members ... hon Oliphant, I don't want to repeat what I said earlier on. The timing of members of Parliament, timing a very strategic moment, very important moment, dealing petitions of our people and we behave in manner in which you, rising issues that are not relevant, to the petitions. This is the moment of us members of Parliament, to be looking at ourselves and say I we really serving our people. If they cry to us, not the department, not to a member of executive or what so ever, to us as public representatives, who have taken an oath or affirmation, but we behave like this instead of saying, what is it that our people that our people are struggling about. Can we respect petition please ... [Interjection.]
Chair, you in DA, there is a story that says, you put the black face upfront. You are our black face upfront, while whites come at the back, but more in the issue of Khayelitsha, petitioners were crying when they gave out their statement, so I am appealing to
this House at Northern Cape, take Khayelitsha District Hospital very serious because ...
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Sesotho:
Motlatsa Modulasetulo, re a leboha re le profense ya Foreistata. Re batla hore ho Ntlo e kgabane, ka nnete maitshwaro a etsuwang ke Mmuso wa Profense ya Kapa Bophirima bakeng sa baahi ba Afrika Borwa le baahi ba Kapa Bophirima ka ho qollwa, ha se maemo a matle. Re bua sena hobane matsatsing a mmalwa a fetileng re ne re keteka ditokelo tsa botho. Hona ho hlakisa ntho e le nngwe ya hore, ka hara Kapa Bophirima, ha ho na motho ya nang le ditokelo ha a le e motsho, empa ditokelo ke tsa bana ba nang le mmala o mosweu.
Ntho eo re e buwang ke hore: Re batla ho nka taba ena ya Khayelitsha re e kopanye le dipolao tse kileng tsa etsahala mane Langa; hore ka nnete ditshebeletso tsa Kapa Bophirima di tla dula di fuwa bana ba fellang ka hara seatla sa ka; ebile, ntho eo re tlamehileng re e buwe ho baahi ba Afrika Borwa ke hore re sebetsa ka ditletlebo kapa dikopo tsa setjhaba - tshebeletso e buwang ka maphelo a baahi ba rona, e leng batho ba re beileng ditulong kajeno.
Ho a bontsha hore ka hara Kapa Bophirima, le ba emetseng DA ka hara Ntlo ena e kgabane, ba khathalla fela divoutu tsa batho bana; ha ba ba hlomphe, ebile ha ba hlomphe le tokomane ena eo ho buuwang ka yona hona jwale. [Mahofi.] Ntho eo ba nang le kgahleho ho yona e nngwe fela: Ke divoutu tsa bona! Re batla hore ho baahi ba Langa, Khayelitsha le bohle ba Afrika Borwa ba se ke be ba lebala moo ANC e ba ntshitseng teng.
Re eme mona le bona bana ba keneng ka hare e le bo mmme; ba ne ba se na ditokelo. Ke bua jwalo hobane le yona kgwedi ena e behetswe ka thoko ka hore ...
English:
... it is an international month for women.
Sesotho:
Bomme ba ne ba se na ditokelo ka hara matlo a masweu; ba ne ba behellwa ka thoko. Re batla hore ho bona: Ba se ke ba fela pelo hobane ka tlasa puso e etelletsweng pele ke ANC ka hara Palamente, re tlo etsa bonnete ba hore Lefapha Bophelo la naha le tlo nka maemo, le a nkele hlooko. [Puo hanong.] Mme hape nnete e a baba; le ho ingwaya e lokgwekgwe. Batla dula ba entse lerata leo fela jwalo hobane ha ho na ntho eo ba ka fanang ka yona: Ha bana lenaneo la tshebetso; ntho eo ba e tsebang ke ho bua ka ANC ...
English:
... because there is nothing that they can offer to South Africans.
Sesotho:
Enwa o etswa ke hobane ke ngwana, o sa ntsane a tletse lebese ka mpeng. Ke a leboha. [Mahofi.]
Thank you very, hon members, that was the last Province. Hon Khawula, on what Province on which Province are you rising?
Chairperson, point of privilege.
Hon member, that one I don't need Hansard, ho members order, order, order ...I don't need Hansard on that. Can you just stand up and withdraw the statement of referring to a member as a puppet.
Chairperson, I withdraw that I said a member of this House is a puppet.
Thank you very, hon Khawula on what point were you rising.
Thanks Chairperson, point of privilege, ever since we started this morning, it's been very hot, can we have some air conditioner switched on.
Point noted, the need for our an air conditioner.