The fact is that debt service costs are skyrocketing and will cost R202,2 billion in 2019-20, R224 billion in 2020-21 and R247 billion in 2021-22. There can be no doubt that unless there is a radical reduction in expenditure so as to spend within our means, South Africa will fall over the fiscal cliff, hon Tobias, when the costs of the Public Sector Wage Bill and debt service costs consume 100% of the revenue collected.