Previous to that, the attempts to organise mineworkers, hon Malema, had been to try and get them in buses, as they were going home, in the rural areas, but they had all failed. So, we decided that we will take another direction and we did. We got access and we started organising mineworkers. They kept asking: Do you have permission? We said: Yes. At the time, Anglo American and Rand Mines were the only two mining houses that had allowed their workers to join unions.