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  • PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (Tuesday, 04 March 2014)

NOTICES OF MOTION

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    Ms D Kohler-Barnard 4 Mar 2014 hansard

    Mr Speaker, this is a notice of motion to censure the chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Police. I hereby give notice that I shall move on behalf of the DA at the earliest opportunity:

    That the House -

    (1) notes that the Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Police, hon Anneliz van Wyk, withheld from the committee several submissions which she received from foreign states expressing concern about the elements of the Private Security Industry Regulation Amendment Bill;

    2) further notes that these submissions, noting the impact of the Bill on South Africa's international agreements, like the World Trade Organisation General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, could have had an impact on the committee's deliberations on the Bill and thus prevented the committee from fully ... [Interjections.]

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  • Minister Of Home Affairs hansard

    Mr Speaker, on a point of order: Can a matter which deals with the conduct of a member be treated as a notice of motion? [Interjections.]

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  • An Hon Member hansard

    Substantively!

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  • Speaker hansard

    Order, hon members! Order! You are not on the floor. Continue, hon Minister.

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  • Minister Of Home Affairs hansard

    Perhaps the hon Ollis will stand up and say what I wish to say since he is so intelligent!

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  • Speaker hansard

    Continue, hon Minister.

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  • Minister Of Home Affairs hansard

    Hon Speaker, I think we have had a similar incident last week, when we said that if a matter is to be moved concerning allegations against a member regarding conduct, there should be a substantive motion. [Interjections.] I thought the Speaker had asked for notices of motion.

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  • Speaker hansard

    Yes, indeed.

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  • Picture of Santosh Vinita Kalyan
    Mrs S V Kalyan hansard

    May I address you on a point of order, Speaker?

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  • Speaker hansard

    Yes, hon member. [Interjections.] Order, hon members! Order!

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  • Picture of Santosh Vinita Kalyan
    Mrs S V Kalyan hansard

    The member gave notice of a motion of censure, which is indeed a substantive motion.

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  • Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    Can I address you, hon Speaker? The hon member knows full well, as she is a member of the Joint Committee on Ethics and Members' Interests, that no such motion can be moved in this way in the House. A motion of censure can only be moved by the Joint Committee on Ethics and Members' Interests. She is not the Joint Committee on Ethics and Members' Interests. She is not a committee; she is a member of that committee. She cannot do it. She knows that she is taking a chance. [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    Thank you, sir.

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  • Picture of Santosh Vinita Kalyan
    Mrs S V Kalyan hansard

    Speaker, may I refer the hon Chief Whip of the Majority Party to the precedent that was set here, namely the motion of censure of the hon Lekota? [Interjections.]

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  • Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    We are not dealing with precedents here; we are talking about the Rules! You yourself said that we must follow the Rules! {Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    We must just stick to the Rules. [Interjections.] Order, hon members!

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  • Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    There is no such Rule! [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    Order! Order!

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    Mrs S V Kalyan hansard

    Look here!

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  • Picture of Dianne Kohler Barnard
    Ms D Kohler-Barnard hansard

    Mr Speaker, may I just continue? There are many arguments going on here. [Interjections.] I would like to complete this. It has been cleared with the Table and you have been notified of it. [Interjections.]

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  • Minister Of Home Affairs hansard

    Could I address you, Speaker? I believe that the hon member, should she wish to move or give notice of a motion, is able to do so, but she cannot go into the substance of that motion until a substantive motion following all the Rules is before the House. [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    That seems to be correct, Minister. A member must give notice, and the Speaker will consider it.

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    Mrs J D Kilian hansard

    Hon Speaker ... [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    Order!

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    Mrs J D Kilian hansard

    Hon Speaker, I want to ask that you also consider a precedent that was set here in the House. Perhaps the NA Table staff can help you with regard to the former Chief Whip of the ANC when a similar motion of censure was moved in the House.

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    Mrs S V Kalyan hansard

    Speaker, I rise on the point that the hon Pandor referred to. I submit that a substantive motion can be moved in two ways, either orally from the floor, and then tabled with you, or in writing. The member chose to do it orally. [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    Order, hon members! Order!

    Hon member, I will consider this and I will come back to you. For now, please take your seat. You have given notice of the motion. [Interjections.] Order!

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  • Minister Of Home Affairs hansard

    Speaker, would you assist us when you return with your ruling? Would you just help us with the rule of law regarding censure prior to an inquiry? Could you include that in your consideration? [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    Thank you very much, hon members. If there are any other suggestions, please pass them on to me.

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  • Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    As you do so, hon Speaker, please would you keep this in mind? These are foreign governments speaking about how we make our own laws in our own country, and a member of the South African Parliament is telling us on behalf of foreign governments ... [Interjections.]

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  • Speaker hansard

    Thank you, hon member. You have made your point.

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    Mrs S V Kalyan hansard

    Mr Speaker, I have a point of order.

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  • Speaker hansard

    Order! Please take your seat, hon member. [Applause.] Order! Order, hon members! The points have been noted. We will come back with the ruling. Does any other member wish to give notice of a motion?

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  • Picture of Ian Michael Ollis
    Mr I M Ollis hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the DA:

    That the House debates whether the public is truly getting value for money with the excessively expensive and poorly implemented e-toll system in Gauteng.

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    Mr N E Gcwabaza hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

    That the House debates building an inclusive economy that creates more jobs in South Africa.

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  • Mrs D A Schfer hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the DA:

    That the House debates the implications on the justice system of a failure to have sufficient competent interpreters for all 11 South African official languages available for trials.

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  • Mrs P S Sekgobela hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

    That the House debates ways to improve and expand education and training.

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    Mr M S F De Freitas hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the DA:

    That the House debates the slow and obstructive processes in the provision of documents to foreigners with scarce skills and its impact on the economy.

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  • Picture of Nokhaya Adelaide Mnisi
    Ms N A Mnisi hansard

    Hon Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

    That the House debates ensuring decent living conditions and sustainable human settlements

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  • Ms R M Motsepe hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

    That the House debates ensuring quality health care for all.

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  • Picture of Raesibe Eunice Nyalungu
    Mrs R E Nyalungu hansard

    Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

    That the House debates expanding comprehensive social security.

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