Hon members, I wish to thank parties for advising the Table staff of which Votes they will record their objections on and which they intend asking for a division on. This information will greatly assist us to complete this process this afternoon.
The proceedings will initially take the form of a question and answer session. I shall put each Vote in respect of which adjustments have been made. In turn, members will have the opportunity to put questions to the relevant Minister in respect of the adjustments. Each party has been allocated a global time for all Votes. Once the party's time has expired, it will not be allowed to put further questions. Members must please press the "To talk" button if they wish to ask a question. Hon members should please wait until I recognise them before putting the question.
Vote No 1 - The Presidency:
House Chairperson, one of the clear performance objectives of the Presidency is that it should implement the National Development Plan. However, it is clear that within the President's own party the plan remains contested and that key, easily implementable proposals remain a mere pipe dream. What steps can the Presidency announce here today that will ensure that the National Development Plan is implemented without further delay? I thank you.
Chairperson, the NDP is not part of the adjustments. However, within government the Department of Performance Monitoring and Evaluation and the National Planning Commission have started the work of integrating the programmes, as envisaged in the National Development Plan, into the Medium-Term Strategic Framework for next year. The work is quite advanced, and almost all sectors have been covered. It will be discussed and confirmed in the lekgotla, but it can only be implemented by the next administration after the elections. So, the work is complete. From the government's side, implementation has begun, and it will escalate immediately after the elections.
In regard to the current budget process, if you look at what will be done in the next few months, it indicates our endeavour to try to implement the National Development Plan. The debates outside should not worry you, as you know that they happen from time to time. For now, we will proceed with the implementation. [Applause.]
Chairperson, the ACDP notes that the amounts allocated to the National Youth Development Agency, NYDA, from the Presidency's budget are R392,7 million for 2013-14, R411,2 million for 2014-15, and R425,8 million for 2015-16.
In 2010 the NYDA blamed gremlins for its disastrous 17th World Youth Festival in Pretoria. The South Africa taxpayer had to pay R6 million for a jet to fly 262 members of the Cuban Young Communist League and translators to the failed festival, which cost R106 million. Recently, Auditor-General Nombembe indicated in the 2012-13 audit report that the NYDA racked up some R62 million in irregular spending and failed to act against its officials who were at fault.
The question to the Office of the Presidency is the following: What has been done to stop this excessive wasteful expenditure of the NYDA, which is tarnishing the image of the Office of the Presidency? I thank you.
Chairperson, the figures quoted are not part of the adjustments. The NYDA did not ask for money from the current Adjustments Budget. I would like to remind the House that members must attend standing committee meetings where these issues are being discussed, and to which the NYDA has to account. There is a Standing Committee on Appropriations, and members of parties must brief their colleagues as to what is happening in those committees. For now, let me clarify one issue that I think is relevant. The hon member should remember that Parliament voted for the money for the 17th World Youth Festival. It was not allocated by anybody, but it was appropriated by Parliament for the NYDA to host the festival. It was a decision that Parliament was quite aware of. Whatever happened in regard to the processes are issues which you can deal with. You should not create the impression that the NYDA just sat around and the Presidency allocated it money. That money was appropriated by this House. Thank you. [Applause.]
Hon members, I wish to remind you that this is not a general question and answer session. It is very specific to the adjustments proposed in the Adjustments Appropriation Bill. I wish to remind members to stick to the areas of the adjustments; otherwise your questions will be out of order.
Vote No 2 - Parliament:
Chair, I rise merely to say that we congratulate the Speaker and his staff for obtaining a clear certificate from the Auditor- General. Congratulations. [Applause.]
Vote No 3 - Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs:
Chair, given that there is now provision for direct grants to local authorities, how will the Minister ensure that they are spent for the intended purposes, especially if we take the example of the city of Grahamstown, whose residents have gone without water for seven weeks? Allegedly, last Friday they could not pay staff members, and they wait now for a bailout by Rhodes University. Is the Minister aware of this? What is the plan? Thank you.
Chairperson, the programmes of the department and provincial departments are designed to work with weak municipalities that are unable to do that. We have created an institution that is intended to support weaker municipalities especially. That is the Municipal Infrastructure Support Agency, Misa, which is doing a great job in that respect.
In the area mentioned, resources have been placed by the local municipality itself, supported by the province and by us, to correct the infrastructure that would not otherwise cope, if it were not for the long-term plans that are in place to expand the old piping system that has been the reason for the problems created there. We are confident that the monitoring systems that we are working on with Treasury will assist us in ensuring that money is spent for the purposes for which it is allocated. Thank you very much.
Vote No 7 - Public Works:
Mr Chairperson, in the previous financial year the budget of the Department of Public Works was decreased to R7,8 billion, yet the department still underspent. Furthermore, by the end of the first quarter of this financial year, the department had spent only 19% of its budget. This is largely due to underspending on infrastructure.
With this proven inability to spend, mostly because of a lack of technically skilled people, Minister Nxesi, how did you manage to miraculously spend more than R200 million on one person's private palace at Nkandla? [Applause.]
Chairperson, that question has nothing to do with the budget estimates that we are discussing here. Please focus on the budget. Thank you. [Laughter.] [Applause.]
Hon members, stick to the adjusted budget estimates, please.
Chair, I don't need to be told. This department, hon Minister, received an audit disclaimer, which means that it is the worst in regard to performance. What guarantee can you give South Africans now that with the money allocated to you you will be able to perform?
Hon Kganare, we are actually talking about adjustments. Unfortunately, if you had been listening very carefully and analysing those statements, you would have known that the main Department of Public Works has moved from having a disclaimer to having a qualification. It is only Property Management which is still qualified. You should read your records. Thank you. [Applause.]
Vote No 8 - Women, Children and People with Disabilities:
House Chairperson, my question relates to the objectives of this department. Minister, now that the objectives for the department are smarter, how will it ensure that it achieves the desired outcomes and perform smarter with limited resources, by not over or underspending? Thank you.
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: Chairperson, I think the hon member is trying to say that we have done very well and made sure that we did not overspend. [Interjections.] All I need to do is to keep my eye on the ball. I kept it on the ball to ensure that we didn't overspend. I am now going to make sure that we don't underspend. Of course, I have received an unqualified audit with very few matters of emphasis. The department has gone from red to green. This is a green department. Thank you. [Applause.]
Chairperson, we would like to ask the Minister the following. With 85% of the budget spent, but only five of 15 targets achieved, how will you able to deliver on the remainder of the targets - the other 10 outstanding targets - with the remaining 15% of the budget? Thank you.
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: Chairperson, that is not what we are discussing. [Interjections.] In regard to this year, yes, we have achieved 50% because we have completed 50% of the year, which clearly demonstrates that by the end of this financial year we will have achieved almost 100% of our targets. In the last financial year we achieved 70%, which means that we have done very well compared to previous years. Thank you.
Chairperson and hon Minister, a chunk of your budget remains unspent due to a number of critical unfilled vacancies. With masses of qualified young people unemployed, can you give us a timeframe for when these positions will be filled, as well as when the skills audit, which is long overdue, will be completed, both issues which impact directly on your spending and future performance? Thank you.
The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: Chairperson, the hon member attends our portfolio committee meetings religiously, so she knows that we reported that the R12 million that we did not spend in the last financial year was for the remuneration of new staff members. We received the money at the end of last year. Therefore, we were able to advertise the positions. We have already filled those vacancies. Unfortunately, it takes time. However, by April this year we had already filled those vacancies.
We are also working with the Department of Public Service and Administration on the skills audit. Early next year, we will be able to present a report to the portfolio committee. I thank you.
Vote No 15 - Basic Education:
Chairperson, last year the department underspent on school infrastructure backlogs by R7,2 billion. Treasury reallocated this money to a general grant to provinces. This year the department underspent by R1,2 billion. This time around Treasury have said they will not roll this money over. The question to the Minister is: What impact will this refusal by Treasury have on the timeline for the delivery of schools to replace unsafe structures and mud schools, and how many schools are affected?
House Chair, the Minister responded to that issue in the portfolio committee meeting. However, I must say that Treasury has given the department the right to roll over R14,7 million specifically for the Limpopo province. That rollover includes the technical secondary schools recapitalisation conditional grants and the Dinaledi schools conditional grants. It has further given additional funding of R12,6 million for the education infrastructure grant in particular, through which 14 schools have been completed in this current financial year.
Vote No 16 - Health:
Chairperson and hon Minister, our health care infrastructure is in an appalling state, but the department has failed to spend R200 million that was budgeted for health facilities infrastructure. My questions are: What are the reasons for the underspending? Secondly, what control measures have been put in place to make sure that this will not happen again? My last question is: What action have you taken to hold those responsible to account?
Again, House Chair, the hon member attends portfolio committee meetings. We gave extensive inputs on this issue of infrastructure for a period of over four hours. [Interjections.] We showed graphs that indicate that the infrastructure expenditure in Health has actually improved markedly since we started placing engineers in the various departments of health. We showed that at the moment infrastructure expenditure is no longer as underspent as it was in previous years. So, we have systems in place to make sure that whatever underexpenditure there was will never happen again.
Chairperson and hon Minister, your intervention at O R Tambo is highly appreciated, but at the portfolio committee meeting yesterday, we were told that the problem of failing health services in the Eastern Cape was occurring not only at O R Tambo but in the whole province, because the leadership there has gone on leave. The question I want to put to you is: Are you, as a result of this information, going to take steps to ensure that this particular department is put under administration in terms of section 100? [Interjections.]
Hon Minister, that question does not relate to the adjustment in your budget. I therefore rule that question out of order. [Interjections.]
Vote No 18 - Labour:
Chairperson, the adjusted budget of the Department of Labour shows that in Programme 1 R941 000 has been shifted from compensation for employees, to goods and services - due to overbudgeting in the Ministry, for transport for the Minister, workshops and izimbizo. Given the recent concerns expressed by the DA that Minister Oliphant had used a farm workers' imbizo in the Western Cape to electioneer for the ANC ... [Interjections.] ... can the Minister assure this House that the R900 000 shifted for her transport, workshops and izimbizo will not be abused for party-political campaigning? [Interjections.] [Applause.]
Chairperson, the amount of R941 000 for the Minister's car in the department occurred because I had to buy a car when I was deployed to the department. However, I decided to use the car that had been used by the former Minister, because it was still within the guarantee period. That is why we requested a virement for that particular amount. I didn't use it precisely because the car was there.
On the issue of the farm workers' imbizo, it is my responsibility to advise and educate the vulnerable workers of this country about their rights in terms of the Labour Relations Act, the Basic Conditions of Employment Act and sectoral determination. [Interjections.] Based on the ANC policy of protecting the vulnerable workers of this country, I will continue to do so. [Applause.]
Vote No 19 - Social Development:
Chairperson, in August this year the Minister of Social Development claimed that the reason for her distribution of food parcels some days before the Tlokwe by-election was because of the existence of 17 000 child-headed households in Tlokwe. However, in her reply this week the Minister says that there are only 5 681 child-headed households in the whole province of the North West. [Interjections.]
Can the Deputy Minister, because I see that the Minister is not here, give this House the assurance that none of the adjustments will be used to buy elections in future? [Interjections.]
Chairperson, cheap politicking will not work. [Interjections.] We are reaching out to the people. The increase in the social relief of distress budget is a demonstration of government's efforts to reduce poverty in the country. Increased unemployment has necessitated that the poor and vulnerable be assisted. Since the second half of the 2012-13 financial year the department and its entities have assisted more vulnerable communities through the SRD. We have increased the budget by R200 million, as our increased visibility contributed to more vulnerable people coming forward and being identified for the SRD. This amount is still not enough, as our current visits to communities continue to indicate vulnerable people who do not have access to government services. We will continue to ensure no child goes hungry when government can intervene. I thank you. [Applause.]
House Chair, may I address you? The Deputy Minister read out a full response to the question posed by the DA. I would like to know how she knew what our question would be? [Interjections.]
What is your question? The Deputy Minister is very well prepared. [Laughter.] The IFP?
Chairperson, ...
Order, hon members!
Chairperson, I hope she is as well prepared to answer this question. Hon Deputy Minister, we noted in the Schedule that there is declared underspending under the item Social Assistance Transfers. We do realise and want to compliment the department for the fact that there has been a rooting out of all those people who have been falsely claiming social welfare grants. This was indeed a very positive exercise. However, there are many nonprofit organisations that are not receiving funds to provide crucial and mandatory services and yet we see an underspend. What will be done in this regard, hon Deputy Minister, through you, Chairperson?
Chairperson, the question is not related to our adjustments. [Interjections.]
Chairperson, I just want to ask the hon Deputy Minister whether their policy for spending this money has changed to feeding the poor every time there is an election. [Interjections.]
IPHINI LIKA NGQONGQOSHE WEZOKUTHUTHUKISWA KOMPHAKATHI: Sihlalo, kulungu elihloniphekile ngiyabona ukuthi linesikhathi sokudlala lapha eNdlini yoMkhandlu Kazwelonke. Lo mbuzo owubuzayo awuphathelene nezilinganiso esikhuluma ngazo la. Ngiyabonga. [Ihlombe.] (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)
[The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT: Chairperson, to the hon member, I can see that he is not taking what we are discussing in this National Assembly seriously. His question has nothing to do with the adjustments we are discussing here. Thank you. [Applause.]]
Chairperson, may I rise on a point of order?
Order, hon members! What is you point of order, hon member?
Chairperson, the hon Deputy Minister just made a statement claiming I have time to play. [Interjections.]
Order, hon members!
I believe this is insulting, because I am not here to play. [Interjections.] If the hon member is asked a question, she must answer the question and stop insulting me.
Order, hon members! Hon member, please take your seat now. Take your seat. We will check the Hansard to see exactly what the Deputy Minister said and, if need be, we will come back and make a ruling in that regard. However, I want to remind hon members that we are not dealing with broad policy questions, but specifically with the adjustments that have been made in the adjustments budget.
Vote No 22 - Defence and Military Veterans:
Chairperson, we must face the facts - there is an accountability crisis at the Department of Defence and Military Veterans. [Interjections.]
Order, hon members! Hon members, we have been informed that the Minister is not here, and there is another Minister who will give the reply. So, it is important that the Minister is able to listen to the question; otherwise he will not be able to respond.
Chairperson, I was saying that we must face the fact that there is an accountability crisis at the Department of Defence and Military Veterans, and at the centre of that accountability crisis is the Special Defence Account. There are 21 separate references to funds being rescheduled within the Special Defence Account in the Adjusted Estimates of National Expenditure, and yet we have never been briefed on the billions of rand being spent every year on defence acquisition and being channelled through the Special Defence Account. Just yesterday the Department of Defence and Military Veterans refused point blank to disclose any information about the multibillion rand acquisition project called Project Hoefyster. We cannot go on like this.
My question to the Minister is: Will he, in his capacity as the Justice, Crime Prevention and Security cluster Tsar, commit to providing a comprehensive and open briefing on defence acquisition to this Parliament? I have full confidence in the Minister's answering the question, but he might consider calling for the assistance of the hon Minister for the Public Service and Administration, who I see has just jetted into Parliament.
Hon member, let us allow the Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development to respond.
Chairperson, if the hon member was listening to the Medium-Term Budget Policy Statement and reading the Schedules, he might realise that the question he is posing is totally irrelevant. [Interjections.] On this adjustments budget there is about R150 million that is being adjusted to assist our soldiers in the Democratic Republic of the Congo who succeeded in driving out the M23 rebels who surrendered to Uganda this morning. Thank you. [Applause.]
Vote No 25 - Police:
Chairperson, I cannot seem to spot the Minister's suit, but let me put my question. Although it has been ascertained that nearly 1 500 SAPS members have criminal records, and in certain instances multiple criminal records; that the majority of these criminals have been promoted within the SAPS; and that not a single one of them has been dismissed, what assurance can anybody in this House give us that the extra millions for increases being asked for here today will not go equally to the criminals whom taxpayers pay to work in the SAPS?
Chairperson, the matter of the auditing of all police officers in the Republic of South Africa is getting attention from the Minister in order to attend to the findings of that commission. Thank you very much. [Applause.]
Vote No 26 - Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries:
Voorsitter en agb Minister, daar is 'n geskatte R425 miljoen nodig om die kleinskaalse vissersbeleid te implementeer. Kan u asseblief vir ons verduidelik waar die begroting daarvoor vandaan gaan kom. Daar is geen geld in hierdie begroting daarvoor nie, en ek het ook gekyk en gesien dat daar nie genoeg geld in die begroting van die Departement van Handel en Nywerheid is nie. So, hoe gaan u hierdie beleid implementeer? (Translation of Afrikaans paragraph follows.)
[Mrs A STEYN: Chairperson and hon Minister, an estimated R425 million is necessary for implementing the small-scale fisheries policy. Can you please explain to us where the budget for that will come from? There is no money in this budget for that, and I have also had a look and seen that there is not enough money in the budget of the Department of Trade and Industry. So how are you going to implement this policy?]
The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES: Chairperson, on Thursday, 3 May 2012 the hon Van Dalen, in a question relating to the small- scale fishing policy, said that this policy was "ideologically moribund and devoid of an understanding ...". Now, I want to know the following. If the DA thinks that this policy is moribund, it means that it is close to death.
Order, hon members!
May I rise on a point of order, Chairperson?
Hon Minister, will you take your seat please? Yes, hon member.
Chairperson, the Minister seems to be responding to a totally different question. She is talking about a reply to a question and policy. I submit that that is not relevant.
Hon member, I am following proceedings very carefully. Let's allow the Minister to continue. [Interjections.]
The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES: If the hon member from the DA felt that this policy was moribund, why is she suddenly interested in money to be allocated to a moribund function? [Interjections.] The ANC will allocate money to the function. [Applause.]
Order, hon members! I wish to repeat the call that was made earlier by the Deputy Speaker. Although all the guests in the gallery are quite welcome, we do expect you to adhere to the protocol and not participate in the proceedings. It is only the hon members of the House sitting here who are allowed to do so.
Vote No 28 - Economic Development:
Chairperson, can Minister Ebrahim Patel see me? [Laughter.] In your annual performance targets, the Economic Policy Development programme, 10 targets that you set were not met at all. In your Economic Planning and Co-ordination programme, you set two targets that were not met at all. My question is: To what do you attribute this failure to meet those targets? Secondly, what actions have you taken to rectify this? Thirdly, have you taken any action against anyone that made it impossible for you to achieve these targets in your department? Thank you.
Chairperson, in response to the questions by the hon member, I would like to point out the following.
If we are talking about the annual targets in the last financial year, the department actually met 98% of its targets.
If we are talking about the midyear targets, I would like to point out that in the portfolio committee meeting, we tabled the distribution of the targets across the four quarters. In a number of cases - for example, the one covering the economic policy on economic development - no targets were set for the first two quarters in the emerging market economies, EME. I would just like to clarify this by saying that there are only nine targets in the EME. In the annual performance plan there are 38 targets. We explained all of this in the portfolio committee and, of course, the hon member was absent when that explanation was offered. Thank you.
Chairperson, I think that perhaps we should ask a relevant question about the adjustment. I would like to ask the Minister what projects are referred to in the virement on innovative building technologies and on the industrialisation in Africa? Could the Minister respond to that?
House Chair, in response to the hon member's question, the virement item dealing with innovative building technologies is a grant that Economic Development has provided to the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, to help them develop technologies that can be used in the built programme for schools, clinics, houses and other public facilities technologies, that will bring down the cost of construction in the infrastructure roll-out programme and speed up delivery.
In fact, we had a meeting of the Presidential Infrastructure Co-ordinating Commission, PICC, after the EME was finalised. The PICC, which, of course, includes all the provinces, agreed enthusiastically to the innovative building technologies. We then identified savings that could be effected and directed that to the CSIR to develop these technologies.
In respect of the project on industrialisation in Africa, during the Brics summit that was held in eThekwini in March this year it was agreed that the Brics countries should work together to help promote industrialisation on the continent. We then took that as a cue and identified some savings that we could redirect to a research project looking at value chains on the African continent, ways in which we can connect the economies. That accounts for the virement item, the research project on industrialisation in Africa. Thank you.
Vote No 31 - Human Settlements:
Chairperson and Minister, the Public Service Commission highlighted poor governance issues within the department, such as senior management's not signing performance agreements, and not declaring their financial interests, which might lead to conflicts of interest, and the slow pace of dealing with disciplinary cases, at a massive cost of over R100 million for financial misconduct.
The Auditor-General has repeatedly raised serial issues in the department, including the lack of internal controls, unreliable information technology, the ongoing vacancy rate, and supply chain issues. The question, Minister, is: What are you going to do to remedy this state of affairs and restore order and functionality in the department, and also to address these pertinent serial issues which recur every year? Thank you.
Hon Minister, I did not pick up anything to do with something wrong in your budget adjustment. It is really up to you if you wish to respond to that statement. [Interjections.] Thank you. Are there any further qeustions to the Minister of Human Settlements?
Vote No 33 - Rural Development and Land Reform:
Chairperson, we note that the reopening of the land claim process in terms of the Restitution of Land Rights Amendment Bill anticipates 397 000 new land claims at an estimated cost of between R129 billion and R179 billion. The cost of setting up the administration required to manage this process is estimated at R1,36 billion.
We have also noted that the Minister of Finance has instructed the department to fund it out of its existing annual budget of just about R9,5 billion per annum. My question is: Exactly how does the Minister propose that this activity be funded in the short term, or are these just more promises on which the ANC will be unable to deliver after the elections?
Chairperson, in the little time that I was present in the meetings of the Portfolio Committee on Rural Development and Land Reform, it was discussed by the Minister, and the hon member does know that it was discussed. [Interjections.]
But for your information - yes, give me a chance - the Restitution of Land Rights Amendment Bill provides for the reopening of the lodgement of claims for a period of five years. There will be 52 lodgement files. Current offices of the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform ... [Interjections.]
I will show you the money, and you are not going to get it now. About your interest in money, how I wish you could think about the Natives Land Act that you developed. [Interjections.] Yes, it has been about 100 years now that we have been dealing with the land issue. If I were you, I would be the last person to ask about anything that has to do with land, because you stole the land from us. Thank you. [Applause.] [Laughter.]
Order! Order, hon members! Are there any further questions on this Budget Vote?
Hon Chairperson, when I read p312 of the adjustments, I see it states that a virement has been effected on Programmes 2, 3, 4 and 5, which fairly exceeds what is required in terms of the Public Finance Management Act. Programmes 2, 3, 4, and 5 are 12,8%, 16,8%, 19% and 18% of the virement that has been implemented on these programmes. Some of what has been effected is against the Public Finance Management Act in regard to the issue of the compensation of employees, as well as transfers. I just want to ask the Deputy Minister what necessitated this virement which is, in a way, outside of what is required in terms of the Public Finance Management Act.
On a point of order, House Chair ...
Let's allow the Deputy Minister to respond, and then I will come back to your point of order. Proceed, Deputy Minister.
Answer the question!
Chairperson ... [Interjections.] Yes, I will. I know that there is a backlog. There is a discussion going on between the Department Rural Development and Land Reform and the Treasury. I have noted the question; I will come back and give you the right answer. Thank you. [Applause.]
Chairperson, I rise on a point of order. In her previous response the Deputy Minister indicated to the members on this side of the House that we had stolen the money. [Interjections.] This reflects very poorly on us. It's an unsubstantiated allegation. I would ask you to rule on it. [Interjections.]
Hon members, just calm down! Yes, hon member?
Chairperson, on a point of order: The hon member must get his facts right in the House. It is land, not money. [Interjections.]
Hon members, we will check the Hansard and, if need be, we will make a ruling in that regard, since we have already moved on from that point. Are there any further questions to the Deputy Minister? None.
Vote No 36 - Trade and Industry:
Chair, we've been urging the Minister of Trade and Industry, Dr Robert Davies, to focus more resources on trade promotion, as opposed to providing government subsidies to business. We are very pleased to note that the adjustments have been above average in terms of spending money on trade promotion.
The question is whether we can expect more increases in the future to illustrate a policy of more aggressive trade promotion, less protectionism and greater competitiveness, as outlined in the National Development Plan. Thank you.
House Chairperson, Minister Davies is in Namibia with the President, so I've been asked to take any questions. We are glad to know that, although this is an unrelated item, at least the opposition agrees that there is more money going to this area and that trade promotion is an important aspect.
We in the ANC and in government certainly believe that this area should be resourced. As to future resourcing, it depends on budget availability, but it will remain an important priority for us, because this is a way in which we can increase exports. We can change the current account balance in our favour and ensure that South African businesses have greater opportunities, both on the continent and elsewhere in the world. We thank the hon member for his support.
Vote No 37 - Transport:
Chairperson, R42 billion exists in this Transport budget and it is being spent, via ANC policy, on infrastructure investment in the country and on regulating prices.
However, the policy of the current government has led to our harbours, becoming the most expensive in the world and our airports, becoming amongst the top three or four most expensive in the world. We have introduced the most unpopular toll roads in Gauteng, and we've seen a slow but steady 20- year collapse of commuter rail - that is Metrorail train services - across the country, as well as of our provincial and national roads, apart from a few. Moreover, this government - over here - has raised over R220 billion via the fuel levy from poor South Africans over the past decade or two while provincial roads and national freeways have not been maintained or upgraded; they have collapsed.
I have a question with two parts for the Minister. Firstly, will the Minister please explain when this government will implement internationally benchmarked and competitive harbour and port charges, and airport taxes, and a regulatory regime to prevent the country from getting into this catastrophic situation again in future? We are pricing ourselves out of the international markets, and ruining tourism and trade, and jobs are being lost in the process.
Secondly, will the Minister indicate to this House what has happened to the approximately R200 billion raised via the fuel levies over the past 20 years, which could have been used to maintain and upgrade our roads, especially in Gauteng where people now have to pay again? Thank you. [Applause.]
Hon Minister, I allowed the hon member to complete the question, but I struggled to pick up where the question had to do with the adjustment. Maybe you can respond and assist us.
Chairperson, that is a debate for another session. Thank you.
Chairperson, let me preface my remarks by saying that I am asking this question from the point of view of serving on the Appropriations Committee, and the fact that we haven't had a briefing from the Department of Transport.
I have looked at the Schedule, and I want to be very careful that I am looking at the Schedule, lest what happened to me last time happens again. I have looked at the Schedule, and there is a negative adjustment of just over R48 million on taxi recapitalisation. These are the payments to taxi owners for scrapping their old taxis. Madam Minister, I think you are well aware that the department budgeted a lot of money for this programme - almost R7,7 billion in general terms - and it spent only R2,9 billion. Can you tell us what the reason for this negative adjustment is, and what is happening about the taxi recapitalisation programme? Thank you.
Chairperson and hon member, I'm sure you will know that far fewer than the requisite or targeted number of taxis were scrapped, and that is what led to this particular amount that you refer to. However, I want to indicate that we are engaging with the taxi industry, and in the new year we will have a summit to deal with this challenge that we are faced with. Thank you very much.
Vote No 38 - Water Affairs:
Chairperson and hon Minister, there have been internal staff capacity constraints resulting in the inability to spend the budget and the subsequent request for a rollover. The consequence of this was the appointment of consultants, which has led to overexpenditure on consultancy, and which ultimately results in communities, being without water. Given this situation, will these capacity constraints be resolved within this financial year to ensure bulk water supply and tap water delivery to the affected communities?
Chairperson, I am aware that a similar question has been put to the department, which is preparing a comprehensive response. I am also aware that the department has embarked on a recovery plan to ensure that all deadlines are met. Thank you very much.
Discussion on Votes and Schedule concluded.
Vote No 1 - The Presidency - put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES - 206: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, N R; Bikani, F C; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Carrim, Y I; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Gumede, D M; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Kwankwa, N L; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line-Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Msimang, C T; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlazi, A Z; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngele, N J; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, Z C; Ntuli, B M; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, G S; Radebe, B A; Radebe, J T; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Sisulu, L N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tlake, M F; Tobias, T V; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 70: Alberts, A D; Bosman, L L; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Duncan, P C; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, S J F; Maynier, D J; Mazibuko, L D; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Msweli, H S; Mulder, C P; Ndlovu, V B; Nkomo, S J; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Rabotapi, M W; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Singh, N; Skosana, M B; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A C; Steyn, A; Stubbe, D J; Swart, M; Swart, S N; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van der Merwe, J H; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
ABSTAIN - 12: Adams, L H; Bhanga, B M; Botha, T; Ferguson, B D; Kilian, J D; Koornhof, N N J v R; Lekota, M G P; McIntosh, G B D; Mosimane, C K K. Ngonyama, L S; Njobe, M A A; Ramatlakane, L.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 2 - Parliament - put and agreed to.
Vote No 3 - Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs - put and agreed to.
Vote No 4 - Home Affairs - put and agreed to.
Vote No 5 - International Relations and Co-operation - put and agreed to.
Vote No 6 - Performance Monitoring and Evaluation - put and agreed to (Democratic Alliance and Independent Democrats dissenting).
Vote No 7 - Public Works - put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES - 204: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, N R; Bhengu, P; Bikani, F C; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Gumede, D M; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Joemat-Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Koornhof, G W; Kubayi, M T; Kwankwa, N L; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line- Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlazi, A Z; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngcobo, B T; Ngele, N J; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, B M; Ntuli, Z C; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane- Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, B A; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Sisulu, L N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tlake, M F; Tobias, T V; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 87: Adams, L H; Alberts, A D; Bhanga, B M; Bosman, L L; Botha, T; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Duncan, P C; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; Ferguson, B D; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kilian, J D; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Koornhof, N N J v R; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lekota, M G P; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, S J F; Marais, E J; Maynier, D J; Mazibuko, L D; McIntosh, G B D; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Mosimane, C K K; Motau, S C; Msimang, C T; Msweli, H S; Mulder, C P; Ndlovu, V B; Ngonyama, L S; Njobe, M A A; Nkomo, S J; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Rabotapi, M W; Ramatlakane, L; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Ross, D C; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Singh, N; Skosana, M B; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A C; Steyn, A; Stubbe, D J; Swart, M; Swart, S N; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van Der Merwe, L L; Van der Merwe, J H; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 8 - Women, Children and People with Disabilities - put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES - 206: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, N R; Bikani, F C; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Carrim, Y I; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Gumede, D M; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Joemat-Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line-Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlazi, A Z; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngcobo, B T; Ngele, N J; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, B M; Ntuli, Z C; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Radebe, B A; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Sisulu, M V; Sisulu, L N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tlake, M F; Tobias, T V; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 84: Adams, L H; Alberts, A D; Bhanga, B M; Bosman, L L; Botha, T; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; Ferguson, B D; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kilian, J D; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Koornhof, N N J v R; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lekota, M G P; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, E J; Marais, S J F; Maynier, D J; McIntosh, G B D; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Mosimane, C K K; Motau, S C; Msimang, C T; Msweli, H S; Mulder, C P; Ndlovu, V B; Ngonyama, L S; Njobe, M A A; Nkomo, S J; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Rabotapi, M W; Ramatlakane, L; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Ross, D C; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Singh, N; Skosana, M B; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A C; Steyn, A; Stubbe, D J; Swart, S N; Swart, M; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van der Merwe, J H; Van Der Merwe, L L; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 9 - Government Communication and Information System - put and agreed to (Democratic Alliance and Independent Democrats dissenting).
Vote No 10 - National Treasury - put and agreed to.
Vote No 11 - Public Enterprises - put and agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Independent Democrats and Freedom Front Plus dissenting).
Vote No 12 - Public Service and Administration - put and agreed to.
Vote No 13 - Statistics South Africa - put and agreed to.
Vote No 14 - Arts and Culture - put and agreed to.
Vote No 15 - Basic Education - put and agreed to (Independent Democrats, Democratic Alliance, Congress of the People and Freedom Front Plus dissenting).
Vote No 16 - Health - put and agreed to.
Vote No 17 - Higher Education and Training - put and agreed to.
Vote No 18 - Labour - put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES - 221: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Adams, L H; Ainslie, A R; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, N R; Bikani, F C; Bogopane- Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, T; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Ferguson, B D; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Gumede, D M; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Joemat-Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Kilian, J D; Koornhof, G W; Koornhof, N N J v R; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Lekota, M G P; Line-Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; McIntosh, G B D; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Mosimane, C K K; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Msimang, C T; Msweli, H S; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndlazi, A Z; Ndlovu, V B; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngcobo, B T; Ngele, N J; Ngonyama, L S; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; Njobe, M A A; Nkomo, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, Z C; Ntuli, B M; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, B A; Radebe, J T; Radebe, G S; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramatlakane, L; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Singh, N; Sisulu, M V; Sisulu, L N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, M B; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Tinto, B; Tlake, M F; Tobias, T V; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; Van der Merwe, J H; Van Der Merwe, L L; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 61: Alberts, A D; Bosman, L L; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kloppers- Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, E J; Marais, S J F; Maynier, D J; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Motau, S C; Mulder, C P; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Ross, D C; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A C; Steyn, A; Stubbe, D J; Swart, S N; Swart, M; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 19 - Social Development - put and agreed to.
Vote No 20 - Sport and Recreation South Africa - put and agreed to.
Vote No 21 - Correctional Services - put and agreed to.
Vote No 22 - Defence and Military Veterans - put.
Division demanded.
Chairperson, is it parliamentary and appropriate that even if I know I am going to lose, I call for a division? [Laughter.]
Unfortunately, that is how democracy works. Order, hon members! Order, hon members!
The House divided.
AYES - 218: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Alberts, A D; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, N R; Bikani, F C; Bogopane- Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Carrim, Y I; Cebekhulu, R N; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Groenewald, P J; Gumede, D M; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Joemat-Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line- Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Msimang, C T; Msweli, H S; Mufamadi, T A; Mulder, C P; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlazi, A Z; Ndlovu, V B; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt- Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngele, N J; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; Njobe, M A A; Nkomo, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, B M; Ntuli, Z C; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, J T; Radebe, G S; Radebe, B A; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Singh, N; Sisulu, L N; Sisulu, M V; Sizani, P S; Skosana, M B; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tlake, M F; Tobias, T V; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; Van der Merwe, J H; Van Der Merwe, L L; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E.
NOES - 70: Adams, L H; Bhanga, B M; Bosman, L L; Botha, T; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Duncan, P C; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; Ferguson, B D; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kilian, J D; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Koornhof, N N J v R; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lekota, M G P; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, E J; Marais, S J F; Maynier, D J; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Mosimane, C K K; Motau, S C; Mubu, K S; Ngonyama, L S; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Ramatlakane, L; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Ross, D C; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A C; Steyn, A; Stubbe, D J; Swart, S N; Swart, M; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 23 - Independent Police Investigative Directorate - put and agreed to.
Vote No 24 - Justice and Constitutional Development - put and agreed to
Vote No 25 - Police - put and agreed to.
Vote No 26 - Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries - put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES - 214: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, N R; Bikani, F C; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Carrim, Y I; Cebekhulu, R N; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Joemat- Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line-Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Msimang, C T; Msweli, H S; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlazi, A Z; Ndlovu, V B; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngele, N J; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya- Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; Nkomo, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, Z C; Ntuli, B M; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Radebe, B A; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Singh, N; Sisulu, M V; Sisulu, L N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, M B; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tlake, M F; Tobias, T V; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; Van der Merwe, J H; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 76: Adams, L H; Alberts, A D; Bhanga, B M; Bosman, L L; Botha, T; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Duncan, P C; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; Ferguson, B D; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kilian, J D; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Koornhof, N N J v R; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lekota, M G P; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, S J F; Marais, E J; Maynier, D J; McIntosh, G B D; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Mosimane, C K K; Motau, S C; Mubu, K S; Mulder, C P; Ngonyama, L S; Njobe, M A A; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Ramatlakane, L; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Ross, D C; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A; Steyn, A C; Stubbe, D J; Swart, S N; Swart, M; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 27 - Communications - put and agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Independent Democrats and Freedom Front Plus dissenting).
Vote No 28 - Economic Development - put and agreed to (Democratic Alliance and Independent Democrats dissenting).
Vote No 29 - Energy - put and agreed to.
Vote No 30 - Environmental Affairs - put and agreed to.
Vote No 31 - Human Settlements - put and agreed to.
Vote No 32 - Mineral Resources - put and agreed to.
Vote No 33 - Rural Development and Land Reform - put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES - 213: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Ainslie, A R; Bam-Mugwanya, V; Beukman, F; Bhengu, F; Bhengu, P; Bhengu, N R; Bikani, F C; Bogopane-Zulu, H I; Bonhomme, T; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Bothman, S G; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Cele, M A; Chabane, O C; Chikunga, L S; Chili, D O; Chiloane, T D; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; Dambuza, B N; De Lange, J H; Diale, L N; Dikgacwi, M M; Ditshetelo, I C; Dlakude, D E; Dlodlo, A; Dlomo, B J; Dlulane, B N; Dube, M C; Duma, N M; Dunjwa, M L; Fransman, M L; Fubbs, J L; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gaum, A H; Gcwabaza, N E; Gelderblom, J P; Gina, N; Gololo, C L; Goqwana, M B; Gumede, D M; Hajaig, F; Huang, S-B; Jeffery, J H; Joemat- Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line-Hendriks, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabuza, M C; Madlala, N M; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magubane, E; Magwanishe, G; Mahomed, F; Makasi, X C; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Mangena, M S; Manuel, T A; Maserumule, F T; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mathale, C C; Mathebe, D H; Mathibela, N F; Matlanyane, H F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Mayatula, S M; Maziya, A M; Mdaka, M N; Mdakane, M R; Mfeketo, N C; Mfulo, A; Mfundisi, I S; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mocumi, P A; Moepeng, J K; Mohai, S J; Mohorosi, M M; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Moloto, K A; Moni, C M; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motlanthe, K P; Motsepe, R M; Motsoaledi, P A; Msweli, H S; Mufamadi, T A; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Ndabandaba, L G B; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlazi, A Z; Ndlovu, V B; Nel, A C; Nene, N M; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngele, N J; Ngubeni-Maluleka, J P; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njikelana, S J; Nkomo, S J; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, Z C; Ntuli, B M; Nxesi, T W; Nxumalo, M D; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, M N; Pandor, G N M; Peters, E D; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilane-Majake, M C C; Pule, D D; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Radebe, B A; Ramathlodi, N A; Ramodibe, D M; Saal, G; Schneemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; September, C C; Shabangu, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibiya, D; Sindane, G S; Singh, N; Sisulu, M V; Sisulu, L N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, J J; Skosana, M B; Smith, V G; Sogoni, E M; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Thibedi, J D; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tobias, T V; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshabalala, J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; Van Der Merwe, L L; Van der Merwe, J H; van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Wayile, Z G; Williams, A J; Xaba, P P; Xasa, T; Xingwana, L M; Yengeni, L E; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 64: Alberts, A D; Bosman, L L; Coetzee, T W; De Freitas, M S F; Dreyer, A M; Duncan, P C; Esau, S; Farrow, S B; George, D T; Greyling, L W; Groenewald, P J; Harris, T D; Hill-Lewis, G G; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Kopane, S P; Krumbock, G R; Lamoela, H; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Marais, S J F; Marais, E J; Maynier, D J; Michael, N W A; Mileham, K J; Mnqasela, M; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Motau, S C; Mubu, K S; Mulder, C P; Ollis, I M; Paulse, S; Rabie, P J; Robinson, D; Rodgers, F A; Ross, D C; Sayedali Shah, M R; Schafer, D A; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smalle, J F; Smiles, D C; Smuts, M; Steenhuisen, J H; Steyn, A; Steyn, A C; Stubbe, D J; Swart, M; Swart, S N; Swathe, M M; Terblanche, J F; Thring, W M; Van Dalen, P; Van den Berg, N J; Van Der Linde, J J; Van Der Westhuizen, A P; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
ABSTAIN - 11: Adams, L H; Botha, T; Ferguson, B D; Kilian, J D; Koornhof, N N J v R; Lekota, M G P; McIntosh, G B D; Mosimane, C K K; Ngonyama, L S; Njobe, M A A; Ramatlakane, L.
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 34 - Science and Technology - put and agreed to.
Vote No 35 - Tourism - put agreed to.
Vote No 36 - Trade and Industry - put.
Chairperson, have you noticed that you have just heard some objections? So, the members who have objected would like to have their objections recorded please. Thank you.
I think members who objected should follow proceedings very carefully, so that when we ask the question, they do so.
Chairperson, they do. However, in terms of the list the DA would be objecting first. I was waiting for them to object, which they did not do. [Interjections.]
Order, hon members! Hon Mulder, you may object before the DA. You do not have to wait for them. [Interjections.] Order, hon members! The Vote is agreed to.
Vote agreed to (Freedom Front Plus dissenting).
Vote No 37 - Transport - put and agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Freedom Front Plus, Independent Democrats and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote 38 - Water Affairs - put and agreed to.
Schedule agreed to.