Impact of the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act: hearings
Monitoring Improvement of Quality of Life and Status of Women
19 October 2006
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JOINT
MONOTORING COMMITTEES ON IMPROVEMENT OF THE STATUS OF YOUTH, CHILDREN AND
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: & ON IMPROVEMENT OF LIFE AND STATUS OF WOMEN:
JOINT MONITORING COMMITTEE
19 October 2006
IMPACT OF THE PROMOTION OF EQUALITY AND PREVENTION OF
UNFAIR DISCRIMINATION ACT: HEARINGS
Joint Chairpersons: Ms
M R Morutoa (ANC) and Ms W S Newhoudt-Druchen
(ANC)
Documents handed out:
Impact of the
Promotion of Equality and the Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act 4, 2000
Commission on Gender
Equality submission
SUMMARY
The Commission for Gender Equality addressed the Committee on the
areas of the Act which CGE believed needed to be addressed. The changes related
to a number of areas. Firstly it proposed a change to Section 187(2) of the
Constitution. It recommended changes to the title of the Act, and suggested the
preamble needed to set out the principles in better detail. It was proposed
that the number of Commissioners be reduced to two full time Commissioners and
the Chairperson, and changes were suggested to the criteria for appointment and
the length of appointment. Section 11 should be amended to extend the powers
and functions of the CGE. It should be given the power to litigate in its own
name or on behalf of another person, and indemnified from costs orders for
public interest litigation. The executive authority of the CGE should be
defined. All grounds of unfair discrimination should be defined. CGE should
have the obligation to report to Parliament annually. The grounds of
discrimination were to be clarified and extended, and references to “the girl
child” to be replaced by “children”. The word harassment needed definition.
Further suggestions included physical protection of complainants, legal assistance
to unrepresented parties, costs orders, and meeting procedures.
Members expressed concerns about the accessibility of the Equality Courts, and
the proposal to extend “girl child” protection to all children, who should be
adequately protected by the Children’s Act and other legislation. It was felt
that the concerns of the CGE should not lose focus away from the marginalized
groups previously identified. Members queried why HIV was not one of the
suggested list of grounds of discrimination.
MINUTES
Commission for Gender Equality submission
Ms Joyce Piliso-Seroke, Chairperson of the
Commission for Gender Equality (CGE), briefed the Committee on the impact of
the Promotion of Equality and the Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act No 4
of 2000 (the Equality Act). She spoke of the history to the Act, and focused on
the areas in which the Commission had recommended changes. These included a
recommended change to the Constitution, to empower CGE to take steps to secure
redress where human rights had been violated. Section 187(2) did not currently
contain such a provision. It recommended a change to the name of the Equality
Act as the Constitution referred to the Commission for Gender Equality, but the
Equality Act referred to the Commission on Gender Equality. The preamble did
not currently contain the spirit and purpose of the Act and had not made
reference to the principle of independence of the Chapter 9 institutions. The
definitions needed to be amended to more clearly define “member” as a Commissioner
of the CGE. It was proposed that the number of Commissioners be reduced to two
full time Commissioners and the Chairperson. The criteria for appointment
should also be amended to state that Commissioners must have at least fifteen
years experience and that at least one should have a legal background. The time
periods needed to be clarified. Section 11 should be amended to extend the
powers and functions, to enable it to monitor and evaluate policies and
practices of all persons and entities. The CGE should also be given the power
to litigate in its own name or on behalf of another person. Chapter 9
Institutions should be indemnified from all cost orders in respect of public
interest litigation. The CGE Act needed to define the executive authority of the
CGE as the Chairperson, to bring this in line with Treasury regulations. There
was a substantial presentation on Part 4, and it was recommended that issues
relating to socialization should also be included in the preamble. All grounds
of unfair discrimination should be defined. Currently CGE was not obliged to
report to Parliament and it was recommended that an amendment should be made to
compel CGE to report on the status of gender discrimination. The grounds of
discrimination were to be clarified and extended, and references to “the girl
child” to be replaced by “children”. The word harassment needed definition, and
the focus should be shifted from intention to discriminate to the real impact
of the actions. Suggestions were included in respect of physical protection of
complainants, legal assistance to unrepresented parties, and costs orders.
Finally there was a need to develop meeting procedures for the Equality Review
Committee.
All changes were proposed to lead to better functioning and impact of the Act,
but it was noted that in addition the public must be better informed about its
rights, as well as the forums in which the rights could be enforced.
Discussion
Joint
Chairperson Ms Newhoudt-Druchen asked
about the number of cases brought before the CGE, and the accessibility of the
Equality Courts, in light of the CGE’s statement that
equality still faced many barriers.
Ms Suraya Williams, Parliamentary Officer, CGE,
replied that the number of cases the Courts had dealt with was very low. This
was because the Courts did not refer any cases to the CGE, despite their
mandate. Moreover many of the courts were not fully functional. Where they did
exist, there was little to indicate that this was in fact a Court, and there
was lack of procedures to access the courts. This resulted from lack of
education, lack of commitment to the running of the courts and the small
allocation of resources. This resulted in most personnel taking on additional
work, so that instead of recognizing the Courts as their primary function these
were taking a secondary role.
Dr U Roopnarain (IFP) asked why, in CGE’s proposed list of grounds of discrimination, it had
left out the group affected with HIV, which in her opinion was more vulnerable
to discrimination.
Ms Williams replied that HIV/AIDS was a cross cutting issue which permeated
gender and a myriad of other issues such as disabilities. As such it was not
taken or considered on its own.
Mr B Dhlamini (ANC) asked
why in one of CGE’s recommendations it had requested
a reduction of commissioners, although it seemed that there was still a lot of
groundwork to be covered.
Ms Piliso-Seroke replied that CGE had not wanted to
touch on some of the issues raised in previous presentation, However,
the need to cut down commissioners was due to the fact that CGE realised that more money went into the salaries of the
commissioners than being used to redress key issues. Moreover, after a
comparative analysis with other countries that had the same institutions CGE realised that the trend was to cut down on commissioners as
the years went by. Its suggestion was rather to increase secretaries and
attorneys to deal with the legal issues.
Ms F Nyanda (ANC: Mpumalanga)
asked whether final authority was exercised by the Chairperson alone, or by her
and the Executive.
Ms Piliso-Seroke replied that the Act was silent on
the matter and as a there was confusion as to who had the final authority
between the CEO and the chairperson, CGE had now recommended that the executive
authority of the CGE vest in the Chairperson.
Mr B Mkongi (ANC) asked for
clarification on the proposal to change “girl child” in the Act to “children”.
Ms Piliso-Seroke replied that CGE was well aware of
the disadvantages and the vulnerability of the girl, but they were of the mind
that children should be treated equally. This decision was also informed from
the workshops CGE had conducted, which had included the boy-child and men in
issues of gender equality, teaching them the value of respect and dignity in
respect to violence. She gave an example of the shooting that occurred at
Forest Hill School, which she argued that would not have happened if education
had also been sensitive to the boy-child.
Mr Mkongi remarked that
changing “girl child” to “children” would result in a lot of contradictions
considering the Act made several references to women, and felt there was need
for consistency.
Ms Williams replied that, despite the debate, the change was informed by s28
and CGE recognised children as a vulnerable group on
their own, irrespective of their gender. It was therefore decided to extend the
safety net to the boy-child also.
Ms Newhoudt-Druchen was in agreement with Mr Mkongi, voicing her concerns
on the marginalisation of the girl child. She gave an
example of education where the boy child still had preferential treatment and
felt the focus should be on the girl child.
Ms Piliso-Seroke replied that whilst CGE took these
comments seriously the Committee must realize that gender went both ways. She
added that empowering women without including men in the gender discussions
left little room for improvement because what they were currently facing was a
backlash of anger against women as men were feeling left out. This resulted in
violence by men, in order to prove their superiority.
Mr Mkongi remarked that if
the concerns were to be shifted from those previously established, CGE might as well help all the previously disadvantaged
groups.
Mr A Madella
(ANC) shared this opinion and argued that children’s issues would be covered in
the Children’s Act and therefore the specific focus should remain on the girl
child.
Ms Williams replied that there were issues of gender dynamics in the Children’s
Act and moreover when this came out CGE had lobbied extensively and made
submissions. The Sexual Offences Bill was another matter of concern. CGE had
gauged views from all the nine provinces in order to get the view of the
stakeholders as well as the general public.
The meeting was adjourned.
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