Desmond Tutu Refugee Reception Office challenges: Minister & Deputy Minister, SAPS & Tshwane Metro Police briefing; Gupta Naturalisation Inquiry: preparation

Home Affairs

11 September 2018
Chairperson: Mr H Chauke (ANC)
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Meeting Summary

The Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs received a report from the Department of Home Affairs (DHA), South African Police Service (SAPS), and Tshwane Metro Police in relation to the security challenges around the Desmond Tutu Refugee Reception Office (DTRRO), in Pretoria.

The Deputy Minister remarked that two years ago when the violence outside the refugee centres in Tshwane, formerly known as Marabastad, and in Cape Town made headlines, DHA discovered a pattern in the violent outbreaks. In most of the incidents there was a similar modus operandi. 20 minutes before the Centre opened there would be a truck/taxi/van fill of young men, usually from a certain nationality. The men would then start throwing stones at the woman and children in the queue and men who were with their families would retaliate and violence would then erupt.

The Department worked with the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure to gather intelligence on syndicates operating between Marabastad and the northern borderline environment. This entailed gathering information on the addresses of suspects identified, monitoring the modus operandi of suspects and having intelligence and police surveillance around the area particularly the Centre. There were undercover operations and threat and risk assessment had been done as well as profiling of officials, security guards and property owners around the centre as some of them were seeing this as a booming business in the area. DHA, also, profiled safe havens around Pretoria to house asylum seekers. Weekly meetings are held between Director Priority Crimes Investigation (DPCI) anti-corruption and DHA counter corruption and security units. To improve access and exiting the building DHA improved the infrastructure, restructured the process flow, and automated the booking system with self extension capability to eliminate payment for illegal extensions. A queue management system was introduced and operations were also streamlined. The IT infrastructure was also improved including security and surveillance in the building and of files through Docu-File electronic system. Interpretation services were moved to Head Office, first floor, to be able to conduct interviews off-site. Performance of the Centre was monitored continuously to evaluate the impact of the interventions. The new legislation focuses on integrity testing, combating and preventing fraud, corruption and dishonesty measures.

The SAPS reported that the Tshwane West Cluster continuously had disruptive integrated operations in Pretoria Central SAPS policing precinct, including Marabastad and Home Affairs. There is a dedicated sector vehicle from Monday to Friday to monitor possible criminal activities outer perimeter. There is also intensified crime prevention activities and intelligence driven crime prevention and combating operations. Over and above, there are CCTV cameras monitored jointly by members of SAPS and Metro Police. There are two cameras specifically covering DTTRO and surrounds. With the change in Local Government the cameras had to be moved and at this stage the two cameras are not working. SAPS recommended that the Station Commanders in Pretoria West and Pretoria Central meet with DHA on a regular basis to assist each other with challenges at DTRRO and advised that complaints against the Police be reported directly to the Cluster Commander Tshwane West. SAPS said it remains committed to working with Tshwane Metro Police, DHA and its officials to solve the challenges.

Tshwane Metro Police indicated that no cases of bribery by Metro Police have been reported and if there are such allegations the Metro Police will refer it to SAPS to open a docket for a criminal case. Metro Police does not have investigative powers. A group of Metro Police have been identified to work with SAPS to deal with all criminal activities in and around DTRRO. Metro Police is also custodian of an operation running throughout Gauteng which includes an inter-disciplinary task team to combat corruption.  Tshwane Metro Police further explained that the CCTV cameras around DTRRO were not working was because the tender expired and the CTTV cameras were vandalised when moved. Metro Police is the process of finalising the tender to fix the cameras.

Members were not satisfied with the presentations, they were scanty without sufficient details, only provided to Members that same morning and in the case of Tshwane Metro Police no presentation was provided at all. The latter was asked to submit a written presentation later. Members noted that bribery and corruption is a problem at DTRRO but none of the presentations reported on how many arrests had been made because of bribery and corruption. It was also apparent to the Committee that there had been no collaboration between the stakeholders. The task team, reported on by DHA, had been around for many years and Members asked if it was doing its job, what is the impact, and how often it meets. Members also wanted to know if there was a system that handles complaints in a manner that assists asylum seekers to report corruption safely without fear

Members were particularly angry that the CCTV cameras were not working and asked the Metro Police how long have cameras not been working, on what date will they be fixed, what are the mechanisms to monitor tenders that will be expiring, what is the reason the tender was not advertised on time, how much harm had been done since the cameras were not working and what is the responsible personnel doing if the cameras are not working?

The Minister assured the Members not to lose hope because DTRRO is operating well, “it is well organised, well structured, the process flow is good, officials are well trained and immediately disciplined on any findings of wrong doing.” The bulk of the problem emanates from the outside perimeter and that is where the intervention is required”.

The Chairperson concluded that all the questions posed by the Members must be responded to on 9 October 2018 and instructed that there should be collaborations between all stakeholders at national, regional and local levels. Both SAPS and Metro Police must immediately request help from the South African Human Rights Commission to train officials on immigration laws and on the rights of asylum seekers. Also, both stakeholders must go to DTRRO to monitor how it will deal with criminal syndicates, bribery and corruption. The meetings must take place at DTRRO and a report of the meetings must be submitted to the Committee. A plan of action must also be submitted and reported to the Portfolio Committee on 9 October 2018.  The plans that will be presented to the Committee must be signed off by the political leadership of the various stakeholders. This will enable the Committee to hold the Executive accountable on the implementation of the plan.

The Committee finalised its preparations for the inquiry on the Gupta Family naturalisation meetings to take place on Wednesday 12 September and Thursday 13 September 2018.
 

Meeting report

Opening Remarks
The Chairperson welcomed Members, the Minister and Deputy Minister of Home Affairs, as well as delegations from the Department at the South African Police Services (SAPS).

The agenda item was a follow-up from the urgent meeting held last week, 4 September 2018, after a visit by the Committee to the Desmond Tutu Refugee Reception Office (DTRRO) in Tshwane. The matter was still urgent and still required urgent attention. This was informed by the incidents at DTRRO making headlines and the many complaints received by the Committee of the challenges. Challenges emanate from criminal elements around the area.  The Committee felt strongly that it was a matter that required urgent attention and invited all stakeholders to meet. The first meeting was last week but not all the stakeholders were able to attend. Only the Deputy Minister of Home Affairs and the Department attended the meeting. It was agreed that the challenges could not be resolved by the Department alone and would require all parties involved.

“The intention is to understand the depth of the problems and find solutions to the problems”. South Africa has signed treaties pertaining to migrants and asylum seekers. South Africa is a receiving country when it comes to migration. The overwhelming number of migrants coming into the country was a challenge. Over the years Department has been at the forefront of dealing with immigration problems. Even international organisations have an interest in making sure that refugees are attended to properly by South Africans. There is negative report on how South Africa treats migrants.

The presentation received from DHA, in the last meeting, informed the Committee about syndicates of human trafficking and smugglers targeting refugee offices. Tshwane Metro police, in the area, harass, search, and take the belongings of asylum seekers. SAPS does the same in full view of the public and DHA officials.  There are also DHA officials involved in activities of fraud, corruption and distortion. The Committee was also informed on arrival at DTRRO that an asylum seeker had just been arrested for bribing a security officer who was also arrested.

It was important to hear from the stakeholders to understand how they coordinate themselves and the proposed solutions to these problems. Parliament has an obligation to make sure the public receives services freely in a secured environment. “It cannot be that in a democratic South Africa there is lawlessness.”

Minister and Deputy Minister Opening Remarks

Mr Malusi Gigaba, Minister of Home Affairs, introduced the DHA delegation and handed over to the Deputy Minister to do the opening remarks.

Ms Fatima Chohan, Deputy Minister of Home Affairs, made a few opening remarks. She began by underpinning an abiding concern related to security within and around the DTRRO, “We have been at pains to ensure that the good name of our hero Archbishop Desmond Tutu’s legacy is always protected and associated with our best efforts in terms of our international humanitarian obligations. We have been at pains to ensure that his good name is not at any time associated with malice.” The renaming was only affected after the mammoth upgrading of DTTRO and DHA remains sensitive and responsive to any allegations of bribes and insecurities associated with the refugee centre. Security is a concern not only for DHA clients but for the staff who must work in the environment.

She recalled two years ago when the violence outside the refugee centres in Tshwane, formerly known as Marabastad, and in Cape Town made headlines,  DHA discovered a pattern in the violent outbreaks. In most of the incidents there was a similar modus operandi. 20 minutes before the Centre opened there would be a truck/taxi/van fill of young men, usually from a certain nationality. The men would then start throwing stones at the woman and children in the queue and men who were with their families would retaliate and violence would then erupt. DHA thinks there was a more sinister intent, than jumping the queue, directed at DHA staff who would have to intervene to stop the violence. The incidents traumatised many of the officials and were believed intended to ensure there was disruption in the work of the day and possibly intimidate officials into extortion. DHA communicated with SAPS and State Security Agency (SSA) to investigate and ensure there was more visible police presence. This was the reason similar incidents of violence had not reoccurred even though there are still challenges.

DHA on Security situation in and around the Desmond Tutu Refugee Reception Office

Mr Thulani Mavuso, Acting Director-General, DHA, stated that in May 2015, it was agreed that DHA approach the National Joint Operational and Intelligence Structure (NATJOINTS) sister departments with the intention to establish an intervention to security related challenges at Marabastad and TIRRO which was later closed and all operations moved to DITTRO. A Task Team under NATJOINTS was subsequently established and composed of DHA, SSA, SAPS, BMA, and SANDF. In taking the decision to intervene, three critical objectives were identified;
-Intelligence gathering
-Disruptive Operations (Border environment and Pretoria)
-DHA Operations

DHA and SSA gathered intelligence on syndicates operating between Marabastad and the northern borderline environment. This entailed gathering information on the addresses of suspects identified, monitoring the modus operandi of suspects and having intelligence and police surveillance around the area particularly the Centre. There were undercover operations and threat and risk assessment had been done as well as profiling of officials, security guards and property owners around the centre as some of them were seeing this as a booming business in the area. DHA, also, profiled safe havens around Pretoria to house asylum seekers. Weekly meetings are held between Director Priority Crimes Investigation (DPCI) anti-corruption and DHA counter corruption and security units.

To improve access and exiting the building DHA improved the infrastructure, restructured the process flow, and automated the booking system with self extension capability to eliminate payment for illegal extensions. A queue management system was introduced and operations were also streamlined. The IT infrastructure was also improved including security and surveillance in the building and of files through Docu-File electronic system. Interpretation services were moved to Head Office, first floor, to be able to conduct interviews off-site. Performance of the Centre was monitored continuously to evaluate the impact of the interventions. The new legislation focuses on integrity testing, combating and preventing fraud, corruption and dishonesty measures.

The impact all these interventions derived is that efficiencies at adjudication were also introduced to ensure that cases at first instance are finalised timeously. A secured working environment has been created. People are comfortable and feel safe to wait inside the building because the challenges are outside the parameters. This has also improved the working environment for staff and reduced the abuse of the asylum process. The reviews of the Standing Committee on Refugee Affairs were also prioritised.

In moving forward, DHA will continue to work with its security cluster sister departments to enhance security around the premises and undertake to provide regular updates to the Portfolio Committee. He ended by clarifying the incident that led to the arrest of the security officer happened just before the Committee arrived at DTTRO. The security officer allowed a private individual to enter, at the wrong point, where he was supposed to exist. This was detected by DHA officials and the security officer belonging to a private company has been removed from employment.

SAPS on Security situation in and around the Desmond Tutu Refugee Reception Office

Major General D Mthombeni, Tshwane West Cluster Commander, led the presentation.

On the allegation of people visiting the Desmond Tutu Centre mugged in full view of the Police he indicated two cases were reported of unlicensed firearms because of the activity of policing taking place at the Centre. Four suspects were arrested in the Pretoria West and the case has been postponed. Two suspects were arrested in Pretoria Central and the case is also still pending.

He indicated that no complaints against the Police were reported at either Pretoria West or Pretoria Central Police Station. An appeal was made to the Members to report any allegations to the Cluster Commander or Provincial Commissioner. It will be investigated and departmental steps will be taken against the responsible employees.

On the challenges of soliciting bribes to people who come to the Desmond Tutu Centre for services, Major General Mthombeni indicated under NATJOINTS there was an undercover operation by the HAWKS. Two suspects were arrested and their services were terminated immediately from the SAPS. The court found the suspects not guilty of the charges. The second arrest by HAWKS was of a person impersonating as an employee of Home Affairs. She had demanded money (R15 000) from asylum seekers in exchange of HA services. The court also found the suspect not guilty. No other corruption cases were reported to SAPS.

On security measures, around DTTRO Tshwane West Cluster continuously had disruptive integrated operations in Pretoria Central SAPS policing precinct, including Marabastad and Home Affairs. There is a dedicated sector vehicle from Monday to Friday to monitor possible criminal activities in the outer perimeter. There is also intensified crime prevention activities and intelligence driven crime prevention and combating operations as well as the integrated operational activities spoken to by DHA. Over and above, there are CCTV cameras monitored jointly by members of SAPS and Metro Police. There are two cameras specifically covering DTTRO and surrounds. With the change in Local Government the cameras had to be moved and at this stage the two cameras are not working.

Major General Mthombeni reflected on the reported crime in a one kilometer radius in and around DTRRO. There were 15 reported cases, five of which were still under investigation.

Slide nine showed the operation success. On 2 August 2018, together with eight DHA officials, Tshwane Metro Police, SARS, Customs, ICASA and PRASA under the integrated operations, SAPS arrested several people for bring in possession of drugs, impounded taxis and picked up a number of undocumented migrants.

In closing, he recommended that the Station Commanders in Pretoria West and Pretoria Central meet with DHA on a regular basis to assist each other with challenges at DTRRO and advised again, complaints against the Police be reported directly to the Cluster Commander Tshwane West. SAPS remains committed to working with Tshwane Metro Police, DHA and its officials to solve the challenges.

Tshwane Metro Police on Security situation in and around the Desmond Tutu Refugee Reception Office

Ms Jenny Malan, Deputy Chief Officer: Regional Policing, Tshwane Metro Police, indicated that she had not prepared a presentation.

She started off by clarifying Metro Police does not have the authority to gather intelligence or information. It is purely guided by SAPS with information to assist and then plan together to respond to crime hotspots. An instruction was given a while back that Metro Police cannot work alone whatever operations it does must be done in conjunction with SAPS. Its operations are information driven from the weekly meetings it attends with SAPS and Intelligence.

Tshwane Metro Police also has a Community Safety Forum where it incorporates all security forces and service delivery departments to avoid service delivery problems and criminal activities. Home Affairs in future will be invited to the meetings. Its core competency is road policing, stopping vehicles to do random searches. No cases of bribery by Metro Police have been reported. If there are such allegations the Metro Police will refer it to SAPS to open a docket for a criminal case. Metro Police does not have investigative powers. There is a unit within Metro Police to investigate cases of misconduct which run parallel with the criminal case. If the Metro Police member is found guilty of misconduct, they will be dismissed without awaiting the criminal case outcome. A group of Metro Police have been identified to work with SAPS to deal with all criminal activities in and around DTRRO. Metro Police is also custodian of an operation running throughout Gauteng which includes an inter-disciplinary task team to combat corruption. 

She explained the CCTV cameras around DTRRO were not working was because the tender expired and the CTTV cameras were vandalised when moved. Metro Police is the process of finalising the tender to fix the cameras.
 
Discussion
The Chairperson said DHA’s presentation was more about what it used to do and did not talk to the problems. He had expected a report on the status and engagements between the stakeholders. If there had been engagements with all the stakeholders there would have been a joint presentation reporting on the collaborative efforts. What is the status of the joint task team that was established? What were the engagements? He informed Tshwane Metro Police and SAPS that when presenting a combined document to Parliament it must be clearly stated on the document for the record.

Ms B Dambuza (ANC) welcomed the presentation from DHA and stakeholders. She expressed her unhappiness that Members only received copies of the presentations this morning. The culture of the Committee is to submit reports and/or presentations three days prior to the meeting so Members have sufficient time to engage with the document before the meeting. She asked Ms Malan how long have the cameras not been working? She asked DHA if there was a system that handles complaints in a manner that assists asylum seekers to report corruption safely without fear. Is there a register to empower foreign nationals about their rights and how to report issues of corruption? There is a lot of intimidation so it is important that such a system is developed. Members did not understand why the interpreters were move to Head Office away from where the services are needed. What common language is used? Which Civil Society Organisations is DHA working with to fight corruption? What has the Department done about the complaints received from Corruption Watch and Lawyers for Human Rights, has it conducted its own investigations, what were the outcomes? Have the recommendations been considered? Does DHA have a hotline system to report complaints? If so, is it working? How many complaints have been received? How many complaints have been solved? Member commented that the DHA has only started to act now whereas the challenges have been known and persisted for three years.

Ms N Shabalala (ANC) thanked all stakeholders for the presentations. She asked Metro Police, what the mechanisms are to monitor tenders that will be expiring. CCTV cameras are the function of Metro Police who should have been aware the tender was expiring and should have advertised for a new tender three months prior to expiration. What is the reason the tender was not advertised on time?
If the CCTV cameras are not working the problems will not be solved. The only way to obtain information on the 15 reported cases was from the CCTV footage.

Ms D Raphuti (ANC) put on record that last week one of her family members was held hostage for one hour by a DHA official, at Ramatlabama, demanding R10 000. She requested the incident be investigated and the family member is willing to identify the DHA official. The information provided by Metro Police was of value but it was unfortunate that it was not in writing and she requested a written report. She also requested further clarity about the possession of drugs reported under ‘operational success’ on slide nine. What kind of drugs? What is the nationality of those found in possession?
Youth in townships and rural areas are heavily intoxicated and so it was important to know who is in possession and trafficking drugs. Which taxis were impounded, local or foreign national’s taxis and/or taxi drivers? What is the impact or value of impounded taxis?

Ms S Nkomo (IFP) acknowledged the presence of the Minister and Deputy Minister. She also appealed to Tshwane Metro Police to provide a written report prepared well in advance. She asked if Metro Police not aware that the tender was expiring. How much harm had been done since the cameras were not working? What is the responsible personnel doing if the cameras are not working? They must be deployed somewhere else till the cameras are working. The SAPS report was unusual, because it was completely different from the DHA report. It reported, everything is fine, things are okay and there are no problems.  Yet, things are not okay. A lot of things are happening at DTTRO, and SAPS must disclose so it can be assisted. Members asked why Chinese or Pakistan foreign nationals are not arrested. It means there are some being arrested and others who are not being arrested. What is intelligence doing, what are they saying? She requested a full report on undercover operations in all areas.

Ms N Mnisi (ANC) asked DHA how far DTRRO has progressed in integrating its records with applications from other offices and SAPS’ automated finger print verification system. What is the primary reason given for the increase in South Asians seeking asylum in South Africa? Why are they targeting South Africa and coming all the way here? She also raised her dismay at the dysfunctional CCTV cameras. There should be no acceptable excuse, she said and asked, what is the maintenance routine of the cameras?

Ms T Kenye (ANC) commented that the presentation from DHA was scanty; the flesh was not there and was not impressed with the short presentation. She also requested a written report from Tshwane Metro Police. Page five of the DHA report, last bullet point, talks to reduction in abuse of the asylum process but no detail was provided on what was done. The task team had been around for many years and Member asked if it was doing its job, what is the impact? Have the integrated operations improved the situation at DTRRO? How can SAPS monitor CCTV cameras that are not working? As stated in its presentation. There are many grey areas around security challenges.

Mr A Figlan (DA) thanked DHA for the improvements done at DTRRO and congratulated the Minister and Deputy Minister on the new structure. However, it has been three years since the Centre was developed but it was still experiencing the same problems. He was hoping the presentations would provide more solutions instead it was just a report on meetings. It showed there had been no inter-departmental work. Page three of the DHA presentation reported on identified suspects, what was being done about those suspects? Which nationality are the suspects? Why are there still long queues if a booking system was introduced? What other plans does the Department take to stop corruption?

Mr M Hoosen (DA) said after listening to all the presentations he did not get a sense of hope or confidence that the problems are under control. It is a well-known fact bribery and corruption is a problem at DTRRO but none of the presentations reported on how many arrests had been made because of bribery and corruption. “DHA is not catching the people who are giving the Department the reputation it has.” The problems continue despite the lengthy reports from Home Affairs, SAPS, and the Metro Police. He felt a great sense of hopelessness and loss of confidence in DHA. The problems were identified in 2015 but no action was reported to have been taken since then. Are there any statistics on what DHA contributed to decrease bribery and corruption at DTRRO since 2015? Is the task team still in place, and how often does it meet? However, it still had not achieved anything to combat corruption. Despite, all the millions and resources spent bribery and corruption at DTRRO and other refugee centres is still not reduced. He appreciated the leadership of the Chairperson to prioritise the matter but he did not get a sense something was being done to resolve the problems. It was an embarrassment that Metro Police could not keep its CCTV cameras working. How long have they not been working and on what date will it be fixed?

The Chairperson reprimanded Major General D Mthombeni for lying about going to DTRRO twice every week, as revealed during the meeting, but did not want to charge him for lying in Parliament.

Minister’s Response
The Minister thanked the Committee for the robust engagement and its concern for asylum seekers and refugees in South Africa. He reported that in a few weeks the Deputy Minister will be leading the South African delegation to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Executive Committee Session where she will present South Africa’s statement and participate in the annual Exco highlighting some of the challenges presented at this meeting. She will highlight the progress, trends, and analysis made on asylum seeker management. In due course, DHA should request the Committee to present the asylum seeker statistics which highlight progress made over the years. There has been great progress impacting positively on asylum seekers and refugees.

When DHA presented the International Migration White Paper it emphasised the need to collaborate and manage asylum seekers in the best interest of the country. In this regard, he welcomed the presentations and the submissions made by civil society organisations. DHA engaged and disagreed, without rejecting, some of the recommendations made by civil society organisations. “We cannot agree to charge the person who is being bribed and not the person who is bribing. The whole incident needs to be investigated and action taken against both, whether you are a refuge or not.” DHA cannot accept the recommendation not to arrest a refugee for bribery. He undertook to investigate the recommendations further.

“We hold the name of Desmond Tutu in high esteem and would not want it to be associated with bad conduct”. Whenever there are reports of misconduct raised at any of the refugee centres DHA investigated and treated all matters with urgency. He responded that operations at the Centre had improved. In terms of the Constitution, crime committed outside and around the Centre is the responsibility of the SAPS. Immigration officers are not commissioned law enforcement agents and do not have the weapons and means to confront offenders.

The Minister agreed with the Committee, DHA cannot discard responsibility after services have been provided. DHA continues to engage with other stakeholders to ensure the rights of asylum seekers. Coordination between the different agencies responsible for the security of asylum seekers needed more attention and this would be raised with the security cluster.

“Members must not say we are losing hope because DTRRO is operating well, it is well organised, well structured, the process flow is good, officials are well trained and immediately disciplined on any findings of wrong doing. The bulk of the problem emanates from the outside perimeter and that is where the intervention is required”. The corruption unit of Home Affairs cannot investigate criminal activities happening outside the Centre, its mandate and capacity are limited. DHA can only do so much but it will continue its efforts to meet with different stakeholders.

The Chairperson concluded that all the questions posed by the Members must be responded to on 9 October 2018 and instructed that there should be collaborations between all stakeholders at national, regional and local levels. Both SAPS and Metro Police must immediately request help from the South African Human Rights Commission to train officials on immigration laws and on the rights of asylum seekers. Also, both stakeholders must go to DTRRO to monitor how it will deal with criminal syndicates, bribery and corruption. The meetings must take place at DTRRO and a report of the meetings must be submitted to the Committee. A plan of action must also be submitted and reported to the Portfolio Committee on 9 October 2018.  The plans that will be presented to the Committee must be signed off by the political leadership of the various stakeholders. This will enable the Committee to hold the Executive accountable on the implementation of the plan.

Preparations for the Gupta Family Naturalisation meetings
The Committee finalised its preparations for the inquiry on the Gupta Family naturalisation meetings to take place on Wednesday 12 September and Thursday 13 September 2018. Each Member was allocated questions to ask the witnesses giving evidence. Members were provided with files, for reference during the inquiry, compromising of the following documents;
-Terms of reference for the PCHA inquiry on to the naturalisation of the Gupta family,
-Phase One Interim Report on granting the Gupta Family naturalisation and the subsequent Draft Interim Report,
-DHA responses to PCHA and questions issued regarding the naturalisation of the Gupta family
-Affidavits
-Annexures of supporting documents
-Immigration Act, Citizenship Act, and the Alien Control Act
-Investments and Sponsorships related to schools
-Leaked emails
-Tabling of names granted naturalisation.

The Committee had written to the Indian Embassy requesting the confirmation of renunciation of Indian citizenship by the naturalised Gupta family members but no response had been received.  

The meeting was adjourned.
 

 

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