Order, hon members! Hon members from the DA, I won't be able to know exactly who it is, but can you please lower your voices and allow the Minister to respond?
UNGQONGQOSHE WEZOKUPHEPHA KWEZWE: Okunye okubalulekile kakhulu Sihlalo ukuthi abantu abangamalunga ahloniphekile kuyofuneka baziphathe ngendlela ehloniphekile. Ilunga eliqavile elikhulumayo lihamba limemezela lithi liwuSekela Mphathi weziNhloli. Kukhona ukungazi ukuthi umthetho weziNhloli usebenza kanjani ngoba phela umthetho weziNhloli wukuvikela izwe. Uma ubuka ubungozi obufufusela iNingizimu Afrika, lobo bungozi - uma uyazi imithetho yezobunhloli ... (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)
[The MINISTER OF STATE SECURITY: Another important thing, Chairperson, is that the respective members will have to conduct themselves in a respectable manner. An active member is going around spreading lies that they are the deputy manager of the National Intelligence Agency. There is a lack of knowledge as to how the National Intelligence Agency operates because their duty is to protect the country. If you look at the danger that's approaching South Africa, that danger - if you know the laws of the National Intelligence Agency ...]
... you will never be in a position to disclose that threat. It never happened. If you understand our tradecraft, our issues, we hold them in confidence. [Interjections.] The issue that you hold there, you hold your oath. [Interjections.] What is more alarming is that the member who is so active on intelligence and security matters was given a chance ...
... ukuthi asondele abe yilunga eliqavile leKomidi Elingaguquki LeziNdlu zePhalamende KwezobuNhloli, phecelezi i-Joint Standing Committee on Intelligence. Wabalekela uhlelo lokuqinisekiswa kwemininingwane yakhe ukuze akwazi ukuthola izindaba eziyimfihlo zikahulumeni engiziphethe. [Ubuwelewele.] Uhamba nje ememeza esidlangalaleni. Uma ememeza esidlanglaleni ngeke ngamphendula ngezindaba zokuphepha kwelizwe. ... (Translation of isiZulu paragraph follows.)
[... to draw close and become an active member of the Joint Standing Committee on Intelligence. He avoided the process of vetting in order for him to have access to the private government information that I have. [Interjections.] He goes around shouting in public. If he shouts in public, I won't respond to him with regard to matters of the country's safety.]
What does it mean? It means that if I actually am going to say that we should hold a roadblock, we must announce it. [Time expired.] [Applause.]