Can you take your seat. I've recognised you. Take your seat. Hon members ... [Interjections.] ... hon Mbatha, in his follow-up question, made a particular reference that the Minister, in answering, asked him to withdraw.
I asked hon Mbatha whether he used that phrase. He explained himself, and he said that he would not withdraw it. I then said, because he did not give me a clear answer to that question, I would look at Hansard for his statement and then come back to the House and rule. I am not sure what you would want to debate further on this matter. [Interjections.] Can we please proceed? Can I take hon Shivambu and then I will come to you, hon member? Hon Shivambu, what is your point of order?